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To: curiosity
The information on the long form would add no new information that is relevant to his eligibility. The COLB is enough to prove he was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961, which is enough for him to be a natural born citizen.

Please tell me exactly what the information on the long form that's not on the short form does to shed light on this matter.

Simply stamping your feet and repeating that the COLB images conclusively prove he was born in Hawaii does not make it so.

Likewise, neither does your assertion that the COLB images conclusively demonstrate that he is a natural born citizen simply make it so.

The Supreme Court has not ruled on the question of what is required to be a natural born citizen for purposes of the Constitution. Maybe they would agree that the meaning was intended the cover a situation where the father was a foreign national and the mother was an American, so long as the child was born somewhere subject to US jurisdiction. Or maybe they would rule that the intention was that both parents needed to be US citizens. It's an open question, legally speaking. It's too bad you are inconvenienced by that fact.

I've outlined the possibility that a birth certificate could have been issued on the basis of nothing more than a claimed home birth.

The best you can come back with is insisting that the fact that some low-level state employee registered the birth in such circumstances conclusively proves the asserted facts. It's a good thing you are not using a webcam, because there is no way anyone could type that with a straight face.

You can't understand why a young American woman who unexpectedly gave birth in a third world country would want to hurry back to America to her family and doctor, even though it entailed a difficult trip? That, to you, is not plausible.

But that a woman who just gave birth, would leave her parents and doctor to take her newborn infant to go live alone far away, is completely explained to you in order to get away from Obama Sr.

But she had already dropped out of school. She could just as easily avoid Obama Sr. at her parents' home. What, was Obama Sr. stalking her? Standing outside her parents' home every time she came and went? These are just fantasies of yours.

And you pretend to know just when she conceived, and just how far along she was when she might have traveled to Kenya or Seattle.

But this is just more fantasies on your part. We don't know when she conceived. We don't know if Obama was born at full term or not. If she did leave Hawaii before he was born, we don't know whether she left in the third trimester or not.

And now you say you know, conclusively, that he was born at Kapiolani Medical Center.

Wow - you must have sound evidence for that! Oh wait, it's just a letter from Obama to the hospital. His own self-serving statement.

So it appears you believe whatever Obama says about it. Yes, he has such a track record for being open and truthful about his background and associations (sarcasm).

And perhaps the most telling point of your credulous irrationality is your refusal to consider the possibility that significant resources and effort are being put into the effort to defend Obama and the DNC in this matter.

338 posted on 07/22/2009 3:39:36 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
I've outlined the possibility that a birth certificate could have been issued on the basis of nothing more than a claimed home birth.

You are misinformed. That is simply not true.

You can't understand why a young American woman who unexpectedly gave birth in a third world country would want to hurry back to America to her family and doctor, even though it entailed a difficult trip?

No, what I can't understand is why a young American woman, in her THIRD TRIMESTER OF PREGNANCY, in 1961, would fly half way around the world to a third world country.

The Supreme Court has not ruled on the question of what is required to be a natural born citizen for purposes of the Constitution.

That's because it is obvious. There are only two types of citizens mentioned in the Constitution: natural born and naturalized. If you're not naturalized, then logically you can only be natural born. Period. This is not an open question, the rantings of a guy who sees black helicopters following him everywhere he goes notwithstanding

343 posted on 07/23/2009 9:41:04 AM PDT by curiosity
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