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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” (1918) Theodore Roosevelt

1 posted on 07/14/2009 11:35:39 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Doesn’ bother me at all.


69 posted on 07/14/2009 12:34:47 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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I veto’d a bunch of clothing purchases my wife was going to make on behalf of my 8 year old because of that symbol.

For me, it is the symbol of a movement that believes:

“We are not endowed with anything by a creator.

Moreover, no truth is self-evident, and the freedom to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are very alienable. As such, we believe that no institution, regardless of its history, merits, or origins, has any compelling value proposition to society.

In fact, we believe that live and let live is the only truth in evidence, and to that end, one should do what you will.”


70 posted on 07/14/2009 12:35:47 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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What would the Founding Fathers say?

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your consels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”

Samuel Adams, August 1, 1776


71 posted on 07/14/2009 12:36:45 PM PDT by anonsquared
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I feel about the peace sign the same way that I feel about the Swastika or the Hammer-and-Sickle. They all disgust and offend me ...

... because of the appallingly low quality of humanity that displays and upholds them.

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RESISTOR

Swear allegiance to the flag, whatever flag they offer;
Never hint at what you really feel.
Teach the children quietly for, someday, sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still.

Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK)

73 posted on 07/14/2009 12:41:07 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Think Of It As Evolution in Action)
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ping


74 posted on 07/14/2009 12:41:24 PM PDT by stylecouncilor (The black man is keeping me down!)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
I think we all know that the "peace" symbol isn't about peace. It's about hating America, supporting communism, and having contempt for America's soldiers.

That applies to the 60s/70s crowd anyway. In the current generation, it's mostly about ignorance.

76 posted on 07/14/2009 12:56:30 PM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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From what I'm learning it's not just a peace symbol. Barack Obama's elder daughter wears top with peace symbol used as Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament logo.
77 posted on 07/14/2009 12:59:51 PM PDT by McGruff (I guess "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican" is n/a these days.)
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I’ll give you two perspectives, one from my Vietnam vet uncle and one from an aunt of the same era.

My uncle detests most symbols from that era, not just the peace symbol. Tie die, Willie Nelson braids, love beads, VW buses ... anything like that still sets him off to this day. He makes an effort to be at the airport to greet returning soldiers. If he sees anyone dressed in 60’s attire, he’ll ask them what their intentions are: protesting or supporting? If they’re protesting, he goes ballistic and gives them “what for” about how Vietnam vets were treated. Typically they leave, but sometimes he “converts” them and gives them a “Support Our Troops” t-shirt to put on.

My aunt wouldn’t let her children wear 60’s attire growing up. She lost many friends in Vietnam. Her grandson got involved in Seattle grunge music and bought an old VW bus to transport his band and gear. She forbade him from coming to her house for family functions in that bus. When he quit the band and wanted help with college tuition, she made him sell the bus before she’d help him. To this day, she forbids her grandchildren to wear any 60’s attire to her house. If she helps run them around to their activities, she makes them change clothes if she perceives their attire to be “disrespectful” in any way but especially so if they’re wearing 60’s tie-die and peace symbols.


81 posted on 07/14/2009 1:07:48 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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“Peace symbol” is what its proponents called it. But the really meaning and usage was “anti-war symbol.” And it was directed against our soldiers fighting in Vietnam. That history outshadows everything else, including the possibly evil or satanic sources of the symbol.

As far as I know, nobody had any idea what the prior history of the symbol might have been. It suddenly appeared, and it was an expression of protest against the Vietnam War—and often in favor of Ho Chi Mimh and the Communists.


86 posted on 07/14/2009 1:19:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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I don't mind seeing the symbol being worn by old hippies or present day wannabe’s, but such political trash being worn by the children of our current president, or any president for that matter, while on display in another country is beyond the pale and a direct affront to common decency on how children of world leaders should be dressed when accompanying their parents on such world junkets...........
94 posted on 07/14/2009 1:46:53 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This country isn't going to hell in a handbasket, it's riding shotgun in an Indy car....)
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I’m not. But then I wasn’t in Vietnam.


97 posted on 07/14/2009 1:51:30 PM PDT by Doohickey (I try to my days one at a time, but occasionally several days attack me at once.)
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Yes, actually, it does, and I'm pretty mellow about that sort of thing. US Navy, 1970-1980. I recall it being a totemic character then for the sanctimonious who wouldn't have had to serve anyway, and since then a mocking tribal symbol that is rubbed in my face that shouts "we won, you lost" by people who didn't give a crap about the Vietnamese people and stopped their ears to their screams when the "good guys" ended up throwing them in re-education prisons.

That is, I suspect, a rather dated attitude these days - I am certain the young 0bama girl couldn't have had a clue how offensive it might be and I rather doubt that her parents did either, given the decade's difference in our ages. But despite the intervening years I find that I have neither forgiven nor forgotten, and so yes, it does offend me. I'll get over it.

100 posted on 07/14/2009 1:55:08 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~

Naive


110 posted on 07/14/2009 3:08:05 PM PDT by onedoug
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Doesn’t bother me at all, I even loosely sewed a very good looking uniform version of one on my dress uniform once. It had the American flag and eagle incorporated into it and looked almost like a bold, very good looking army patch.

It was entertaining to watch the double takes from the other guys in the unit.


112 posted on 07/14/2009 4:17:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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