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To: RummyChick; hoosiermama
Interesting... Yeah, from what I've gathered, there are many people who remember a rumor from the 70's that Michael's father had him castrated (either chemical or surgical?) to preserve his voice. I don't remember hearing that in the 70's, but then I was just a little kid then. lol

And I don't know if this is true (maybe someone can correct this if wrong) but I read that castration can cause problems like autoimmune illnesses or other health issues, and clearly MJ had some health problems.

I agree with you guys about the kids. Who knows, but the eunuch theory seems to be the only thing that would explain almost everything about MJ, imo.

64 posted on 07/12/2009 4:12:50 PM PDT by incindiary
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To: incindiary

Even in Christian times the practice continued; as women were sometimes forbidden to sing in Church, their place was taken by castrati. The practice remained popular until the 18th century and was known into the 19th century, the last famous Italian castrato did not die until early in the 20th century.

...snip...(Often guarded the women and children)

“The English form of the Greek word which means bed-keeper . In the strict and proper sense they were the persons who had charge of the bed-chambers in palaces and larger houses. But as the jealous and dissolute temperament of the East required this charge to be in the hands of persons who had been deprived of their virility, the word eunuch came naturally to denote persons in that condition. But as some of these rose to be confidential advisers of their royal master or mistresses, the word was occasionally employed to denote persons in such a position, without indicating anything of their proper manhood.” -Abbott.


66 posted on 07/12/2009 4:26:18 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: incindiary

Even in Christian times the practice continued; as women were sometimes forbidden to sing in Church, their place was taken by castrati. The practice remained popular until the 18th century and was known into the 19th century, the last famous Italian castrato did not die until early in the 20th century.

...snip...(Often guarded the women and children)

“The English form of the Greek word which means bed-keeper . In the strict and proper sense they were the persons who had charge of the bed-chambers in palaces and larger houses. But as the jealous and dissolute temperament of the East required this charge to be in the hands of persons who had been deprived of their virility, the word eunuch came naturally to denote persons in that condition. But as some of these rose to be confidential advisers of their royal master or mistresses, the word was occasionally employed to denote persons in such a position, without indicating anything of their proper manhood.” -Abbott.


67 posted on 07/12/2009 4:26:51 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: incindiary

FROM Rummy’s link


What his vitiligo and what his publicly seen about his physique, and private behavior tell us.
He was diagnosed with a condition known as vitiligo. One treatment for which is plastic surgery and makeup to create an even skin tone. Vitiligo is associated with autoimmune disorders in particular disorders of the thyroid either being underactive or overactive. 9 Then consider what else the thyroid controls.... the thyroid is one gland which along with the pituitary conducts all the other endocrine glands in the human body including the reproductive organs. Symptoms of Hyperthyroidism and Hypothyroidism both include a suppressed libido and can contribute to hypogonadism. An autoimmune disorder could also attack his pituitary gland which could also lead hypogonadism. Of course the autoimmune disorder which could cause Michale Jackson to need so many drugs and to be in so much pain could have directly attacked his gonads from a young age. A persistent and progressive condition such as Michael’s vitiligo was implies that this was not caused by some infection, he had a chronic condition of some kind. The pathways I have outlined above are many ways that one could end up with suppressed puberty, lack of sexual development and hence in the case of one with his intrinsic musical talents, a otherworldly singing voice.


74 posted on 07/12/2009 5:45:57 PM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: incindiary

I believe its very possible. I didn’t give much thought to MJ before he died but I began to think that the castration thing would solve the whole mystery of his weirdness.

If it comes out that he was castrated at the request of his father I hope his father gets jail time for ruining the guy’s life.

Maybe he was not the booger bear everyone thought he was. Who knows. I don’t think he was guilty or innocent of the charges because its all just speculation. All I know is that there wasn’t enough damning evidence to lock him up. I am sure the jury would have voted guilty if that evidence had been there.


77 posted on 07/12/2009 5:58:01 PM PDT by modest proposal (We got short-changed.)
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