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Vanity - I have questions about a rifle I have
07.04.09 | Perdogg

Posted on 07/04/2009 4:13:35 PM PDT by Perdogg

I am now in posession of a Savage Arms Steven's Model 15 .22 bolt-action rifle. It was my father's, but it must have been built and sold about 1950. It is all wood and steel. The bolt is a little sticky and I will probably have to lube and clean it. There is some rust on the exterior barrel.

The problem is I am having trouble finding ammo for it. It says .22 short/long ammo on the barrel.

The questions I have are as follows

1) I found .22 Magnum Gamepoint CCI Rimfire Cartridge, 40-Grain JSP Lead Bullet, 1875 fps, 40 Rounds at walmart, will this work?

2) Is there any danger given the age of the rifle of firing the rifle given it's age.

I could take it to Dick's, they allow weapons in the store, but they don't have the ammo.

Thank you,


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To: Perdogg

spray it with pam should free it right up


21 posted on 07/04/2009 5:07:41 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: Fido969
Go with 22 short, it is a standard cartridge, and there are still a lot of sporting goods stores/Wal-Mart, etc. that stock that round

Ditto this advise, and by the way, a .22 short will penetrate an armadillo in and out a side to side shot. Just FYI

.22 long is much harder to find, if its is even made, but shorts are.

22 posted on 07/04/2009 5:13:21 PM PDT by MrPiper
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To: Covenantor

Outstanding article!


23 posted on 07/04/2009 5:22:01 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Perdogg

Gun related. I am just now watching Bowling for Columbine. Put it in the machine a few days ago, but just now watching it.

parsy, who is curious


24 posted on 07/04/2009 5:24:29 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: Fido969

it’s nowhere to be found


25 posted on 07/04/2009 5:39:15 PM PDT by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Perdogg
it’s nowhere to be found

You can find it online. Try ableammo.com under the rimfire section.

26 posted on 07/04/2009 6:07:53 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider
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To: Kirkwood

Perhaps not. Only 40 years or so.

Longs as opposed to long rifle cartridges are almost universally acknowledged to be the worst of the three.

Shorts are very accurate, and many fine target arms are chambered for them exclusively.

If you have evidence to the contrary I would be glad to hear it, and if I’m wrong, well I’ll say so.


27 posted on 07/04/2009 6:16:42 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Perdogg

.22 magnums will not even chamber in that rifle. It says long/short on the barrel which means you can fire .22 longs and shorts. long rifles and longs are the same length basically but are different in power. Find a store that sells shorts, longs are very difficult to find these days. You can also find shorts on the internet for sale. Do not trust some turkey at a Walmart of other large store like that to tell you anything worthwhile. Go to a regular gun shop and ask about the ammo. Someone with a brain will help you there.


28 posted on 07/04/2009 6:31:14 PM PDT by calex59
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To: driftdiver

He did not say Long rifle, he said long/short. Longs are different in power than a long rifle and should not be fired in a long chambered fire arm. Most .22s of that era were chambered for all three of the most common rounds but some were not. He needs longs or shorts. Longs are almost non existent now so he will probably have to make do with shorts.


29 posted on 07/04/2009 6:33:34 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Perdogg

Does it say 22 long or 22 long rifle? There is a difference (but my guess is that it’s 22 long rifle).

Take it to a good gun shop (not Dick’s or Bass Pro) and have them look at it?


30 posted on 07/04/2009 6:36:10 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: calex59; Perdogg
Most .22s of that era were chambered for all three of the most common rounds but some were not.

My guess is that it was chambered for all three.

Another option is to try to contact Savage, they can probably tell from the serial number.

Another option is to check over at rimfirecentral.com. There are a bunch of great folks over there, they have a Savage subsection and there is likely someone on there who could probably find a pdf of the actual owner's manual.

31 posted on 07/04/2009 6:42:04 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Covenantor

I had a mismatch experience years ago as a beginner. I rented a Ruger Vaquero .45 LC at an indoor range and had to buy a box of their ammo to use. Only 2 of the 6 rounds I chambered fired while the rest were apparently “duds”. I took the box back to the counter and the guy’s eyes got as big as saucers. He had sold me a box of .45 ACP !!


32 posted on 07/04/2009 6:43:10 PM PDT by scramjet (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.)
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To: scramjet

Usually the most knowledgeable people at a range or gun shop are the old guys who don’t actually work there but just sit in a corner and chat with people.


33 posted on 07/04/2009 6:48:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Covenantor

Great post!


34 posted on 07/04/2009 6:50:06 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Perdogg

From a quick search it appears the Model 15 was manufactured between 1936 and 1971. It also appears that in 1949 Savage made minor changes in the rifle and began designating it the Model 15A.


35 posted on 07/04/2009 6:51:47 PM PDT by Texas Mulerider
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To: Perdogg

NO! Not same. There is a third flavor of “normal” 22 called LR or “long rifle”, which is probably the most plentiful you will find. Not “Hornet”. Not “Magnum”.


36 posted on 07/04/2009 7:02:44 PM PDT by Still Thinking (If ignorance is bliss, liberals must be ecstatic!)
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To: wagglebee
My guess is that it was chambered for all three.

I am sorry but your guess would be wrong if the rifle is not specifically marked for long rifle. I grew up in that time period and saw many rifles made in the early 1900s up to about 1960 that were chambered to only fire longs/shorts/cb caps/bb caps. Some were chambered to fire only shorts. The guy needs to buy shorts and stay away from the long rifles, longs being almost impossible to obtain.

37 posted on 07/04/2009 7:07:07 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

My basis for this is that most rifles I’ve seen from this era have been chambered for long rifle, I have seen plenty that were chambered for long rifle and short, but few that were chambered for long and short only.


38 posted on 07/04/2009 7:12:15 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Perdogg

You might want to look at this:

http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/item_desc.php?item_id=2125


39 posted on 07/04/2009 7:14:07 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: calex59

Long and LR cartridges are the same size. The bullet in the long is lighter.


40 posted on 07/04/2009 7:15:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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