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The latest on eBay's 'Kenyan birth certificate'
wnd ^ | July 01, 2009 9:11 pm Eastern | Bob Unruh

Posted on 07/01/2009 8:47:22 PM PDT by Red Steel

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To: Electric Graffiti
and Inspector Smith aka Inspector Clouseau aka Popeye has been writing all the eBay Birth Certificate narratives....weird stuff. LOL


61 posted on 07/01/2009 10:29:24 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: SatinDoll
You should start a ping list for those of us who are serious about the BC issue. I like your approach.

From Obama's actions alone, it's easy to see that there is something very wrong with the picture - we just haven't figured out what it is yet. Objective data and cool minds need to prevail here.

If you do start a ping list, please put me on it, as I'm very interested in this issue but tired of all the white noise.

62 posted on 07/01/2009 10:32:15 PM PDT by AAABEST (And the light shineth in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it)
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To: Frantzie
Do you get the Kenyan BC with the photos? What is Fred Nerks looking for in the backgrounds of the photos?

The photos will help tell the story, and will probably be part of the you-tube video. The backgrounds just indicate Kenya I think. I don't see anything specific, but a search on Google Earth might find a match, and would just help authenticate the tale.

If the person who signed the Mombasa birth certificate isn't talking anymore, and if no one else will draft up another copy, it will be very difficult to authenticate any time soon. So they need a whole lot of corroborating evidence to prove things. Every little bit helps.

Also, being very visible may keep the players healthy.

63 posted on 07/01/2009 10:33:21 PM PDT by Tellurian (Perception is interesting. Truth is overwhelming.)
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To: SatinDoll

August 4, 1961 is part of the deception.


64 posted on 07/01/2009 10:37:48 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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To: TXBlair
Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually.)

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. Interestingly, recently both WorldNetDaily and DailyKos have reported that a copy of Obamas Kenyan Birth Certificate is on sale at ebay by an accredited seller. For more google references to the seller see colmado_naranja Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts. Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates." Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".
65 posted on 07/01/2009 10:41:06 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Alright...I’m gonna go out on a limb here. Dawnella Wilson and Ogabe are about the same age.....She went out with the Kenyan while he was still switch hitting?


66 posted on 07/01/2009 10:45:27 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Tellurian

I like your tagline. Truth is important, and there is damn little of it when trying to find out facts about a man who has spent a lot of time and money hiding his past and scrubbing information about himself out of data banks.

If you have proof that Stanley Anne D. Obama traveled to Kenya in the summer of 1961, please, I would like to see it. Frankly, I think it is a red herrring. She was attending university in Seattle, Washington, in 1961. Upon her return to Hawaii, she divorced Obama Sr. in 1963 after graduation from the University of Washington.

After Obama Sr. left Harvard he was accompanied by a different white woman back to Kenya in 1963/64. She had a total of three children while there with Obama Sr.

I think the Kenyan relatives might be confused.

The birth certificate in a vault in Hawaii is most likely an adoption BC when his stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, adopted him after marrying Stanley Anne and the three moved to Indonesia.

Since Obama II’s name in Indonesia was officially Barry Soetoro, speculation is that it also is the name on the adoption BC that the President doesn’t want to have see the light of day.

Why? Because that is his legal name, Barry Soetoro. There is no evidence he legally changed his name to Barack Hussein Obama II. Name changes are public records. And one is not allowed to use an alias when running for public office.


67 posted on 07/01/2009 10:46:22 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

Everyone involved in this family was left wing. Grandma and grandpa too as far as I know. So the HI college prof coupled dummied up the birth annoucement. Hmmm...


68 posted on 07/01/2009 10:47:20 PM PDT by Frantzie (Remember when Bush was President and Americans had jobs (and ammo)?)
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To: ckilmer

Obama’s parents were married. She divorced him in 1963. It is a matter of record in Hawaii.


69 posted on 07/01/2009 10:48:06 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: LucyT

not worth the effort...it’s no wonder there’s a marxist in the WH.


70 posted on 07/01/2009 10:49:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: SatinDoll
Their neighbors state that a biracial couple never resided in that house.

Well here's some wild and crazy conjecture intertwined around some known truths:

Maybe when Stanley Anne came home to Mom & Dad from Mombasa, baby in tow, they refused to take her in. In 1961 it was beyond embarrasing for a family to have a daughter get pregnant out of wedlock (no marriage certificate found yet, right?). So, for a few days, (August 9th - 11th?) she stayed with some of Dad's friends, and registered the birth in Hawaii at that time. But it wasn't working out, so she split for Washington State. Then, by August 14th, she registered his birth in Vancouver, since Hawaii probably didn't register him as a US citizen, and the Canadian option was the next best thing in Stanley Anne's mind.

BHOsr. may have stayed in Kenya this whole time, or is that known to be otherwise?

71 posted on 07/01/2009 10:52:14 PM PDT by Tellurian (Perception is interesting. Truth is overwhelming.)
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To: Frantzie

No, I don’t believe this couple was directly involved. But there are no doubt more than a handful deeply involved in this deception.


72 posted on 07/01/2009 10:52:45 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Fred Nerks

What? What? You’re too tired to scroll up to #57?


73 posted on 07/01/2009 10:53:21 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Tellurian

Obama Sr. started at Harvard in the fall of 1961.


74 posted on 07/01/2009 10:54:25 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll
We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born.

We do not have their marriage certificate.

There are doubts about the veracity of the divorce papers.
75 posted on 07/01/2009 10:58:00 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: SatinDoll

That birth announcement is interesting as the printed address actually belonged to a white couple who were professors at a Hawaiian college. Both were dedicated left-wing activists now deceased (no surprise there!). The birth announcement is actually that of their child.

Their neighbors state that a biracial couple never resided in that house.
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can you get documentation for that?


76 posted on 07/01/2009 11:00:12 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: SatinDoll; LucyT

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaShakyStuff.htm

How does July 22, 2008 sound as the birth announcement discovery date.

Orland Scott Lefforge was a Professor at UH at Manoa, Dept. of Speech, before becoming an assistant to Sen. Inouye in 1967. After that he wrote a paper about “In service Training as an Instrument of Change” (1971). He was also an administrator in the UH Community College office, and a member of the Osher Institute. He died July 4, 2007 at the age of 91. His wife/companion Thelma Jones Lefforge Young died June 12, 2008.

Ten days from Lefforge’s death is plenty of time to cut, typeset, & paste a new birth announcement. From what I’ve read, the announcements were scanned and emailed by the librarian in Hawaii to a blogger named Lori and then to the TD blog.

Unfortunately, they should have put more time into researching a safer and more practical address. Whomever suggests that CIA is behind this has got to be joking. No one at the agency would have been so stupid as to have chosen an address that is easily traced to a family occuping the home. Nor would they have selected a property grossly beyond the means of the supposed occupants. They would have safely chosen Bear-icks or the Dunham’s address. This birth announcement was done by someone wishing to uplift the early status of their beloved leader by selecting a pricy address and not doing their homework.

In 1961 the Dunhams lived on Kamehameha Avenue, while Obama Sr. lived on 11th Avenue. The Lefforge family, including their 3 children under the age of seven were residing at the luxury home listed on Obama’s newly found birth announcement — 6085 Kalanianaole Highway.

It is highly improbable that the Lefforges would move an African 25 year old male and his pregnant teenage girlfriend into their home. Why would anyone want unemployed college students and a newborn baby living in their family home with their own three young children?

And since the Mr. Lefforge died 10 days prior to the appearance of the birth announcement that listed his address, we can’t ask him. But we do know that the next door neighbors testify that Obama, his mama, and his ‘papa’ never lived there. What a tangled web of lies...

Not a shred of evidence links the Dunhams or Obamas to Kalanianaole Highway. Kalanianaole only surfaced in connection with the Obamas in July 2008. I don’t think a commemorative plaque on the old homestead will be nailed up anytime soon.

I wasn’t necessarily tying the date of the release of the Certificate with the June 12, 2008 date. I was trying to see how the sudden discovery of the birth announcement coincides with the death of the legitimate owner (witness) of the home that was alleged to be the first home of Obama.

So in other words, the recent death announcement of the 1961 resident triggers the announcement, since now it is presumed to be a “safe address” to utilize as home plate.

Mrs. Lefforge (not Mister) passed away June 12, 2008. Forty days later, her address was found to be used as the first home of Obama.

The
Microfilm In Hawaii, WND was able to locate at the Honolulu public library microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser Aug. 13, 1961. The announcement in the “Births, Marriages, Death” section read: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4.”

Arakaki told Baro’s investigators she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother.

Baro sent a team of investigators to Honolulu to explore records regarding current residents of Kalanianaole Highway and to track down residents back to 1961.

Baro’s investigators were unable to locate any current or past resident of Kalanianaole Highway who could recall Obama or his family living at the address listed in the Sunday Advertiser announcement.

Baro also sent investigators to the newspaper offices to examine files, but the Advertiser could not confirm who actually placed the ad.

According to Baro’s affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present.

Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama lived with the Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in Waikiki, not on Kalanianaole Highway.

Baro was able to determine the previous owners of the residence at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway — the alleged address of Obama’s parents when he was born — were Orland S. and Thelma S. (Young) Lefforge, both of whom are deceased.


77 posted on 07/01/2009 11:02:01 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thank you, Fred. Hugs & kisses — Satindoll.


78 posted on 07/01/2009 11:06:10 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: woofie
It is public record that a close friend of Stanley Anne’s related in an interview with the Chicago Tribune that the new mother brought her son and visited the friend on Whidbey Island, Washington, in late August

Mercer Island has also been mentioned!!!

Which one is it???

79 posted on 07/01/2009 11:06:52 PM PDT by danamco
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To: SatinDoll; LucyT

Please stop making unsourced statements. Obama Snr did not leave Hawaii until June 22, 1962:

http://www.ilwulocal142.org/new157/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&id=1:latest-news&layout=blog&Itemid=50


80 posted on 07/01/2009 11:08:43 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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