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Nazis And Hortens And Stealth, Oh My!
Aviation Week ^ | 6/23/2009 | Bill Sweetman

Posted on 06/24/2009 6:21:36 PM PDT by Windcatcher

This Sunday, June 28, National Geographic TV airs Hitler's Stealth Fighter. Set your TiVos or just kick the rest of the family off the TV, because this one should be good.

Back when stealth was very, very secret, a few people quietly advised me to take a look at the Horten Ho229, one of WW2 Germany's most advanced designs - a jet-powered flying wing made of wood. In a German book, a British documentary producer had found something even more interesting: the Horten brothers, Walter and Reimar, had planned to use a primitive radar absorbent structure (RAS) in the leading edges. They were to be made from a sandwich of plywood around a carbon-loaded filler. The only question: how well would it actually have worked?

Now, we know:

(Excerpt) Read more at aviationweek.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: airplanes; hitler; ho229; nazis; stealth
Airplane buffs should definitely enjoy this. There is actually one at the Smithsonian that was captured, but so far they haven't gotten around to restoring it. Also, anyone who ever played the LucasArts PC game Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe should remember this plane.
1 posted on 06/24/2009 6:21:37 PM PDT by Windcatcher
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To: zot

ping


2 posted on 06/24/2009 6:32:44 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar
Oh yes...I fondly remember the Go-229 from "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe", superior to the Me-262 in all aspects.
3 posted on 06/24/2009 6:43:23 PM PDT by CubaninMiami
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To: CubaninMiami

On the NatGeo site they have some teaser videos. I can’t wait to watch this on Sunday.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/hitler-s-stealth-fighter-3942/Overview55#tab-Videos/06807_00


4 posted on 06/24/2009 6:54:48 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: Windcatcher
DR.ZLO Pictures, Images and Photos

It's available with the IL2-1946 Flight sim if you can track down a copy.

5 posted on 06/24/2009 7:03:31 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: Windcatcher

There was a documentary on the history channel about this plane several years ago. Hitler ordered it built in order to be able to take the A bomb that they were developing to New York. Then they realized its stealth capability. After the war we captured it with other technology and brought one here.
It was warehoused at the Air and Space Museum facility at Dulles and Lockheed engineers stumbled upon it and realized what it was, taking inspiration from it.


6 posted on 06/24/2009 7:22:59 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Windcatcher

i’m far too suspicious to actually read the article.

But you guys should consider this...this thought that is screaming inside my brain. Why is the national geographic so interested in stealth technology from nazi germany?

Um, i know, I know, I know...

Because they are equating stealth technology and for that matter ALL military technology that gives america any meaningful tactical edge as being the same as nazis.

Do you think obama should keep spending money on stealth tech? Or defensive missile shield tech? Well, then you must be a nazi. National geographic says so.


7 posted on 06/24/2009 7:30:48 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

Lol, if some idiot actually said that to me (or something equally inane, e.g. we should stop investing in space exploration because Wernher von Braun was a Nazi) I would be tempted to reply with a “Sieg, Heil”, just to piss him off.

(I have relatives on both sides who fought the Germans, in some cases on their home soil. That doesn’t mean I’ll buckle under when a Communist throws around the Nazi label to silence me. I know better than most who the Nazis really were and I know I’m not one of them).


8 posted on 06/24/2009 7:36:59 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: Windcatcher

That’s all fine and dandy, but that doesn’t change the fact that the throwing around of the nazi comparisons in MSM WORKS to scare people, by and large.

It’s a tactic used against us and we end up suffering from it one way or another.


9 posted on 06/24/2009 7:43:59 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping. If I remember my ancient history, this bird either didn’t fly or didn’t fly very well.


10 posted on 06/24/2009 8:28:40 PM PDT by zot
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To: AmericanVictory
Hitler ordered it built in order to be able to take the A bomb that they were developing to New York.

The Go-229 was designed as a fighter.

Hitler might have ordered a plane built to take the non-existant German A-bomb to New York, but it wasn't the Go-229.

11 posted on 06/24/2009 8:43:22 PM PDT by cayuga (We lost the soapbox to MSM bias, and the ballot box to ACORN. The cartridge box is all we have left.)
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To: mamelukesabre
It’s a tactic used against us and we end up suffering from it one way or another.

That's just what Hitler would say.

12 posted on 06/24/2009 8:51:32 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: cayuga

What about the claim that the Nazis shot a man into space in 1945 using an A-10 two stage rocket? He splashed down in the sea of Japan. He was 84 in 2000 and said he was the first n space. There was talk that Hitler was trying for an A-Bomb and even tested one before the end of the war. Hitler spoke of such things but he was quite mad at the time.


13 posted on 06/24/2009 8:53:15 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Windcatcher
Around 10 years ago I went on the "by appointment only" guided tour of the restoration facility that used to be outside of Washington DC. Aside all the other completely amazing things I saw there, I saw this plane, disassembled in various pieces, up close... I've always been amazed by it. I have pictures somewhere, but unfortunately they aren't digitized.

here's a pic lifted from the web:

On the other coast, at an airshow in Chino, CA (roughly 5 years ago, I guess) I got to see on of those small scale versions of Jack Northrop's flying wing... they had restored it to operation and it was flying. Really amazing.


14 posted on 06/24/2009 10:56:04 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: cayuga

I am only reporting what was said in the documentary as shown.


15 posted on 06/24/2009 11:19:46 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: AmericanVictory

What you’re referring to was known as the Amerika Bomber. It was a four-engine flying wing, with the engines mounted low alongside the non-retractable landing gear. It did see design, but was never built.


16 posted on 06/25/2009 4:59:21 AM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda arm.)
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To: cayuga

You’re right, but there were further refinements on the drawing board. One of them was the 1000x1000x1000 tactical bomber: a 1000 kg. bombload, 1000 km tactical radius, 1000 kph top speed.
Others designs were strategic bombers designed to reach New York. The Germans actually flew some Me-264s within 200 miles of New York. However, the Germans never had the industrial capacity to pursue a real strategic bombing campaign. They were too busy fending off the Allied strategic bombers.


17 posted on 06/25/2009 5:32:15 AM PDT by Little Ray (Do we have a Plan B?)
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To: Little Ray
You're right, too. I have several books about German paper projects and prototypes. The site Luft46.com has a lot of interesting material, also.

My point was that the Go-229 was not transoceanic atomic bomber. The plane was quite an accomplishment as it was, without need to exaggerate.

Accuracy trails entertainment value on almost all History/Discovery/Military/Science Channel shows. Take them all with a large grain of salt.

18 posted on 06/25/2009 10:10:05 AM PDT by cayuga (We lost the soapbox to MSM bias, and the ballot box to ACORN. The cartridge box is all we have left.)
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