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Pit bull problem: The owner or the breed?
seattlepi ^ | June 23, 2009 | CASEY MCNERTHNEY

Posted on 06/23/2009 11:30:56 AM PDT by JoeProBono

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To: my small voice

You do get cases of young children being attacked by Labradors and other hunting dogs who, unfortunately, sometimes cannot distinguish them from quarry.


41 posted on 06/23/2009 1:36:57 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: FrPR
I've read your posts and appreciate the fact that your not calling for an all out ban...Likewise, I think we would both like to see a cessation of all dog maulings, and pointless injuries to any children...that's simple common sense. If you don't have a particular love for pit bulls, or even dogs in general, I respect that, and take great pains with my dog in public, knowing that not all people are dog lovers; I wish other dog owners would be more responsible regardless of their breed.

I further agree that a dog, or any other four or two legged critter that comes into my neighborhood and threatens me or a loved one has placed itself in imminent jeopardy...but that does not give me, you or anyone else the right to poison a neighbor's dog because we don't like the way it looks.

Despite the efforts of many, this is still a free nation, and Americans have the right to own mean dogs, big SUVs and rifles with flash hiders and pistol grips...I would love to see the owners of any of the three who use them irresponsibly or mishandle them hammered by our justice system, and those who handle them responsibly simply left the hell alone.

42 posted on 06/23/2009 1:37:19 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: JoeProBono

Chet 99 is the problem.


43 posted on 06/23/2009 1:38:33 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama is an illegal alien)
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44 posted on 06/23/2009 1:39:32 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: FrPR

I have five young children, and a pitbull mix that we adopted as an adult (pre-ruined, in other words).

I didn’t know he was a pitbull when we got him, but I have watched him develop from a wild-eyed savage into an amazing companion animal, the kind that my kids will always remember.
Owners makes a huge difference.


45 posted on 06/23/2009 1:51:20 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Oh, pipe down, Cecilia!)
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I think Obama naming a Pit Bull Czar would be in keeping with the spirit of times and the inclinations of some round these parts. I even have a couple of candidates in mind for the post i’d like to nominate.


46 posted on 06/23/2009 2:02:42 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“Poison: The coward’s preferred method of killing throughout history.”

Same thing was once said, and still is, of snipers, but what do people know anyway.


47 posted on 06/23/2009 2:06:19 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: ozzymandus
Any dog can bite, pits and rotty’s attack to maim and kill. Big difference..
48 posted on 06/23/2009 2:07:12 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: CodeToad
"Same thing was once said, and still is, of snipers, but what do people know anyway."

There's quite a difference between a soldier in an armed conflict infiltrating enemy areas and culling high value targets (ballsy), and a Lee Boyd Malvo/John Mohammed Caprice Classic sniping operation (cowardly). What makes the second one cowardly is the indiscriminate, passive-aggressive nature which is quite like leaving a plate of antifreeze out for any harmless stray or wild animal in the hopes of getting the object of your obsession.

That's what I know, anyway.

49 posted on 06/23/2009 2:13:31 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: razorboy

“And yes we had a collie that went nuts when I was little, not really his fault though he’d gotten hit by a car and was never really right after that. Also got a good gash on my cheek when our German shepherd decided he could hug like a person and missed with one paw. It’s an imperfect world, dogs do bad and or stupid things.”

A brain-damaged Collie and a German Shepherd scratch while trying to “hug” you is NOT the same as being “mauled”. Also, an SUV doesn’t have a brain, teeth, and the ability to flip out! Pit bulls are dangerous...it’s proven over and over.


50 posted on 06/23/2009 2:15:45 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: Chi-townChief

Not the same. Pit bulls know EXACTLY what the quarry is.


51 posted on 06/23/2009 2:16:24 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: Awestruck
there are many smaller dogs that have an innate sense of aggression..and if they were larger, the results would be the same as for pit bulls..and people would be calling for their removal and extinction..

There seems to be an easy solution then. Have the breeders selectively breed them down to the size of Yorkies. A win-win. The pit bull fans get the dogs whose personalities they claim to so love and the rest of the world isn't seriously threatened by them. ;-)

Of course, even if this was possible, it wouldn't work because a lot of pit bull owners want the dogs because of the dog's menace.

52 posted on 06/23/2009 2:16:28 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: my small voice

Well the Collie tried to eat me head first, the good news is the Collie’s mouth wasn’t as big as it thought so he really couldn’t manage it, but he tried. Didn’t get past that because there were alert adults in the room that pulled him off before he decided on another angle.

Outside of that you missed the point. The news is always talking about SUVs when they’re in an accident and somebody dies in much the same way they’re always talking about pit bulls when they’re in an incident. Both are considered “evil” by a group of people that the newsies think is their audience. Meanwhile they ignore non-SUVs and non-pit bulls involved in the same activity because they’re not “evil”. ALL dogs are dangerous, it’s proved over and over. They’re domesticated wolves and not really that far removed from their heritage, with “proper” treatment and training any dog can be used as a weapon or pushed to the point where it’s going to snap. Some breeds have been bred to have more of that tendency, but there isn’t a dog on the planet that doesn’t have it in them.


53 posted on 06/23/2009 2:24:45 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: Joe 6-pack

Well, jeez, Joe, ya didn’t say poisoning of a domestic animal, ya just said poisoning. I totally agree killing someone elses pet with poison is a cowardly thing to do, but if I could kill the enemy with poison I’d do it.


54 posted on 06/23/2009 2:44:16 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: CodeToad
"Well, jeez, Joe, ya didn’t say poisoning of a domestic animal, ya just said poisoning."

It's the context of the thing, laddy.

And yes, I'd kill an enemy with poison, if there were no alternative.

55 posted on 06/23/2009 2:48:36 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: FrPR

Want to come to my neighborhood and poison my dog? Or are your public threats of violence against domestic animals reserved for your close neighbors?


56 posted on 06/23/2009 3:24:54 PM PDT by Dysart (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong--Voltaire)
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To: Scythian
Ummm.....I didn't question anything about kids or grownups getting attacked, so why are you snapping at me? I merely related a story about a dog I saw. I do think that the PBT is a breed that is more prone to attacking, but I also think that no situation is un-redeemable, whether through breeding or training.

BTW, I heard somewhere that Dobies are so mean because their skulls stop growing before their brains do, and that they go through most of their adult life with a headache. Any truth to that? Could there be something similar with pit bulls?

Another BTW: If you want to see a *great* pit bull, go to Youtube and find a silent film called "The Scarecrow." It has Buster Keaton as the lead, and he gets chased around by "Luke the Dog," an American pit bull that was owned by Roscoe Arbuckle. From what I've read, the dog was a natural in front of the cameras, and never attacked anybody unless it was part of a film. Do a youtube search on Luke the Dog and see what you get.

57 posted on 06/23/2009 4:32:46 PM PDT by Othniel (Meddling in world affairs for 1/20 of a millenium......)
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To: my small voice

Nah - they have to be taught just like other dogs.


58 posted on 06/23/2009 6:09:23 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: razorboy

I didn’t miss the point. I agree with you. Why take the chance?? pit bulls are dangerous...period. Never trust an animal....that’s why they are called ANIMALS!


59 posted on 06/23/2009 9:02:02 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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To: Chi-townChief

C’mon man! Read the news! They are trash!


60 posted on 06/23/2009 9:11:57 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media is the biggest threat to our democracy)
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