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DTV: A Few Tweaks Left - Stations, FCC working to solve VHF receptionsnafus
broadcastingcable.com ^ | 6/22/2009 | Glen Dickson

Posted on 06/23/2009 2:02:48 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

WHDH Boston didn't expect to still be paying the electrical bills for two transmitters come late June 2009. Like many U.S. broadcasters, the Sunbeam Television station and NBC affiliate had already exceeded its original transmission budget when the government pushed back the turnoff date for analog signals from Feb. 17 to June 12. WHDH Engineering Director Jim Shultis looked forward to shutting down high-powered digital broadcasts on UHF Ch. 42 and launching digital signals on VHF Ch. 7, the station's former analog assignment.

But as of last week, WHDH was still running transmitters for both Ch. 42 and Ch. 7. And both were being used to deliver the station's digital TV signal, which many Boston viewers couldn't find on its new Ch. 7 home after WHDH made the switch on June 12 and began broadcasting at 29.7 kilowatts.

After receiving numerous viewer complaints, WHDH petitioned the FCC late on the afternoon of June 15 for an STA (special temporary authority) to resume DTV broadcasts on Ch. 42, and was back broadcasting a simulcast of its Ch.7 there at 1:12 pm on June 16. The FCC says the station can continue broadcasting on Ch. 42 until the reception issues on Ch. 7 are resolved, as long as that doesn't cause interference to other stations.

“We've received immense viewer feedback,” says Shultis of the relaunch of Ch. 42. “'Thank you for bringing it back,' that type of deal.”

WHDH is one of several big-market outlets, including ABC-owned stations in Philadelphia and Chicago, to experience significant problems with reception since switching to a VHF channel for their permanent DTV operations. According to viewer comments and interviews with engineers, many of these stations were received reliably on their former UHF assignments but are now hard for viewers to find, even for those with an adequate UHF/VHF antenna. On the other hand, there have been few complaints of significant reception problems from stations with high-powered UHF assignments.

The FCC has moved quickly to address the issue. Besides granting the STA to WHDH in less than 24 hours, it has also helped out another Sunbeam station, WSVN Orlando, and Schurz-owned KWCH Wichita by granting them power increases. It has also redeployed forces to Philadelphia and Chicago to help tackle reception problems there, and is discussing solutions including boosting power or installing a translator to fill in coverage to affected areas. By the end of last week, the FCC was scheduled to place engineers in Baltimore; Nashville; Raleigh, N.C.; Rochester, N.Y.; Orlando; and Richmond, Va., to help stations who have asked it for assistance, either with DTV consumer outreach or technical issues with signal reception.

Some of the problems with VHF reception are simply due to consumers not having the correct antenna; many antennas marketed as “HDTV-ready” are UHF-only. And the double-rescan procedure recommended last week by the FCC has solved the issue for some viewers in New York and Chicago. But in many cases, the reception problems are more severe in close proximity to the transmitter than farther away. That suggests the problem is less one of signal coverage than of signal penetration into urban dwellings such as apartment buildings, where many viewers rely on simple indoor antennas.

“Most of the viewer complaints have been within 10 to 12 miles [of the transmitter],” says WHDH's Shultis. “It's like we have distance—the people out 20 to 30 miles with outdoor antennas are getting us—but we have poor penetration. On Ch. 42 at 948 kW, which is just under a megawatt, we had so much better penetration. ”

Caroline Welch, program director for WPVI Philadelphia, says reception of her station's 7.5-kW signal on Ch. 6 has been random, with next-door neighbors and houses on opposite sides of the street experiencing completely different reception. But many of the problems for Ch. 6, which also suffers interference from FM radio stations, have been close to the transmitter site in the Roxborough section of Philadelphia.

“There is no definitive spot, which is part of what makes it a little more of a complex issue,” Welch says. “You can't just say, if you live here, you can't get it.”

West coast bias Engineers say the fact that VHF DTV signals don't seem to be having as many problems on the West Coast is due to the different construction techniques used there compared to cities farther east like Chicago and Philadelphia.

“One of the things we've found is that with the same Ch. 7 in Los Angeles and San Francisco, there's not as much of an issue,” says WLS Chicago Engineering Director Kal Hassan. “You've got stucco construction out West, and the VHF penetrates well. But in the East you have a lot of brick construction and aluminum siding, and all of that is harder.”

WLS, which has also experienced DTV reception problems from viewers living close to its transmitter atop the Sears Tower, never had reception problems with Ch. 7 in analog, Hassan says. But while it used to broadcast analog VHF at 55 kW, it is only allowed by the FCC to transmit digital VHF at 4.75 kW to avoid interference with stations in Milwaukee and Grand Rapids, Mich.

However, simply boosting the power may not be a quick fix in every market. Engineers note that some consumers with amplified antennas have actually been getting too much power and are overloading their receivers, rendering them useless to tune any channel. Installing signal pads between the antenna and receiver, which dampen the power sent to the receiver, have solved reception issues in some cases.

“We don't want to rush to judgment,” says FCC spokesman Rick Kaplan. “What we're finding are problems with limited stations and limited markets, and each problem appears to be different. That's why we're going to stations when they've asked us to, to try to find out what the problems are.”


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1 posted on 06/23/2009 2:02:48 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
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2 posted on 06/23/2009 2:04:33 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Since the June switchover, I've noticed stations doing some minor tweaks but nothing major. I picked up 1 new channel post switchover.

I now get 46 channels during daylight hours and depending on atmospherics can get quite a bit more at night. In April and early May I got as many as 80 at night but at the moment am adding about 6 per night.

The most distant station I've received has been 500 miles.

3 posted on 06/23/2009 2:29:17 AM PDT by fso301
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To: fso301
I use rabbit ears and a converter. I get three channels that can't be watched because while clear, it freezes up every 3 to 5 seconds and sounds just as bad. Also lines/boxes appear and constant "weak signal" box.

I now use the tv for dvd movies and thats it. Before the switch, the news and 5 channels were not as clear and small amount of static, but it was watchable.

4 posted on 06/23/2009 2:50:56 AM PDT by MrPiper
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To: MrPiper
I use rabbit ears and a converter. I get three channels that can't be watched because while clear, it freezes up every 3 to 5 seconds and sounds just as bad. Also lines/boxes appear and constant "weak signal" box.

Hmm? The quality of signals I receive is simply fantastic. Much better than analog cable. Signals at the very fringe of reception can pixellate but that doesn't happen very often.

Sounds like you have a problem that can be overcome with a little experimenting.

I love DTV/HDTV.

5 posted on 06/23/2009 2:59:25 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Most HDTV is UHF which is very line of sight dependant.

Get a UHF antenna and get it up up in the air


6 posted on 06/23/2009 3:06:41 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

As an aside, last week I listened to WLS 890 AM all the way from Wi to Oh and often pick up that flame thrower in Tx when conditions are right.


7 posted on 06/23/2009 3:13:14 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
WLS, which has also experienced DTV reception problems from viewers living close to its transmitter atop the Sears Tower, never had reception problems with Ch. 7 in analog, Hassan says. But while it used to broadcast analog VHF at 55 kW, it is only allowed by the FCC to transmit digital VHF at 4.75 kW to avoid interference with stations in Milwaukee and Grand Rapids, Mich.

Good Grief! That's less than 10% of its previous power.

If all the stations took a similar cut it's no wonder my reception tanked June 12.
Mine dropped from Apr.-June 12, 75-80% to 35-40% post June 12.
Our ABC affiliate's signal has really taken a dump since going back to its original freq, ch.11 VHF.
They are in touch w/ the FCC.

8 posted on 06/23/2009 3:55:18 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Had rabbit ears that picked up 6 standard stations

Didn’t bother with the converter...

Now I get 1 station..crystal clear...that describes how to transition to DTV...in Spanish...

Oh well....Television “jumped the shark” a while ago for me


9 posted on 06/23/2009 4:03:59 AM PDT by wheresmycheckbarry?
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To: Las Vegas Dave
I'm right between Dallas & Ft. Worth and used to get all the channels on rabbit ears. Some weren't that clear, but who cares? It's only television.

Since the switchover, I now have plug-in boosted rabbit ears and a converter box, and I still can't get at least one UHF station I liked to watch. Plus the local NBC station, which should be one of the strongest, constantly freezes and pixilates. Also, changing channels takes forever, while the box scans to find the frequency. The picture is clearer on the stations that actually come in, but I wasn't complaining before. Overall, DTV has been a giant annoyance that has cost me money while reducing my viewing options. But I do hope all the cell phone junkies are happy with their expanded frequencies for watching dogs on skateboards.

10 posted on 06/23/2009 4:19:53 AM PDT by HHFi
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To: fso301

Would you offer a few tech tips?

We have a channel master antenna and a 29 dB amp, reception is iffy. It is on top of a 20’ tall pole. We have trees (maybe 50’ tall) between the antenna and the horizon, some as close as 60’ away, some a couple of hundred feet away.


11 posted on 06/23/2009 4:39:57 AM PDT by AlbertWang
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Does anyone have an opinion on how well this would work? The reviews on Amazon are favorable:

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My daughter and I are looking for an alternative to cable in the middle of Jacksonville, FL.


12 posted on 06/23/2009 4:45:00 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (There is a demand today for men who can make wrong appear right. Terrence, c. 160 B.C.)
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To: AlbertWang
We have a channel master antenna and a 29 dB amp, reception is iffy. It is on top of a 20’ tall pole.

My basic setup is a VHF/UHF antenna mounted in a third floor attic which is about 25' up. I have 100' of RG-6 cable from the antenna to the TV on the bottom floor. No preamp. The antenna farm the antenna points to is about 50 miles away over relatively flat terrain and the towers are about 1,000' tall. I have two story homes between my house and the antenna farm.

13 posted on 06/23/2009 4:47:34 AM PDT by fso301
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Have you tried a loop? Muuuuuuch cheaper.


14 posted on 06/23/2009 4:54:25 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie

Have never heard of that...what is it??


15 posted on 06/23/2009 5:14:47 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (There is a demand today for men who can make wrong appear right. Terrence, c. 160 B.C.)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

It’s a wire loop, about 6-7” in dia. Usually in the middle of a set of rabbit ears.


16 posted on 06/23/2009 5:22:31 AM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie

Not really looking for cheap. We’re looking for something that will work and doesn’t cost $70 every month to use. This device says it picks up channels 2 -69. Reviewers say they’ve been able to pick up 20- 25 channels with it. I’m wondering if someone on FR has experience with it (or similar) or knows enough to say that it is viable.


17 posted on 06/23/2009 5:33:18 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (There is a demand today for men who can make wrong appear right. Terrence, c. 160 B.C.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
Most of the viewer complaints have been within 10 to 12 miles [of the transmitter],” says WHDH's Shultis. “It's like we have distance—the people out 20 to 30 miles with outdoor antennas are getting us—but we have poor penetration

I recall reading in TV Technology or Broadcast Engineering 8 or 10 years ago warnings that this would most likely happen after the transition. Was nobody at the FCC listening?

18 posted on 06/23/2009 6:36:14 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: mylife
As an aside, last week I listened to WLS 890 AM all the way from Wi to Oh and often pick up that flame thrower in Tx when conditions are right.

While doing BCT at Ft Knox (late 60's) we used to hear either WGN or WLS (can't recall which) loud and clear in the early morning.I've also picked up WBZ radio (Boston) loud and clear in NC and not too clearly in FL.

19 posted on 06/23/2009 7:16:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
“Most of the viewer complaints have been within 10 to 12 miles [of the transmitter],” says WHDH's Shultis.

I live less than 10 miles from WHDH's tower and I can't pick it up worth squat.I get all the other Boston stations and even one or two from Providence.

20 posted on 06/23/2009 7:18:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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