Posted on 06/15/2009 6:08:02 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084
I am habitually late to the latest technology. I just got an HDTV 2 months ago. I am ready to throw it in the ocean because some people are just too ugly to be seen in Hi Def...but I digress...
I was embarrassed that everyone else had heard of e-cigarettes before I did and I'm supposed to be the nanny state guy on FR (let me just throw myself on the mercy of the court like Jim Baker and say "I'm sorry, I have sinned!")
It would be nice to stick it to the man and at least pretend to smoke anywhere while getting my nicotine.
So I ordered them to try it out. I bought them from NJOY for no other reason than their owner was in the news and seemed willing to fight the entrenched powers (tobacco control, big Pharma, big Tobacco) in public and I liked his style. I have no interest in pimping a product.
It came in a nice package with all of the responsible disclaimers that you would expect when you know that the fetid breath of gubmint will soon be breathing down your neck....not for kids, nicotine is addictive, for current smokers.
Readers Digest version:
Cons: I don't get the same nicotine buzz I get from the Ultra Light tobacco cigarette I normally smoke.
Pros: I can smoke them in my office, they don't stink and I don't feel like taking a cigarette break all day.
Conclusion: I'm not sure if nico-Nazis and grant junkies need to be concerned that this will cause everyone to quit tobacco completely and force them to get a real job befitting someone of their skills like being a supermarket deli meat slicer.
We geeks had almost as much of a good time back in 1986 drinking soda and awkwardly dancing to REO Speedwagon! :-)
Anyway, can we fast forward to the USSA circa 2009? Is there any way to replicate (670 verbal SAT word) the nicotine hit from an analog cig?
Is this a reference to a Frank Meyer quote? it might have been accidental on your part but the founder of conservatism and fusionism said something very similar.
Can I please redirect everyone to the issue at hand....e-cigarettes.
As for the e-cig it's not as satisfying because it's not a cig, even all dosed up on nicotine you still crave a smoke, you may gag like crazy but you still crave one, that's also why pipes, cigars, snuff and chew don't replace cigs. You can be addicted to nicotine, that's one thing and you can be addicted to cigarettes that's something else entirely along with the nicotine.
Thanks for the ping!
You’re a conservative and you have no idea who Frank Meyer is?
Just a primer to his work. The father of fusionism (marriage of libertarians and traditionalists) was a chain smoker FWIW.
from Wikipedia....
Frank Straus Meyer (1909–1972) was a libertarian political philosopher and co-founding editor of the National Review magazine.
Frank S. Meyer was born to a prominent Jewish business family in Newark, New Jersey. He attended Princeton University for one year but was displeased by the antisemitism and snobbery he found there. He then transferred to Balliol College at Oxford University. He later studied at the London School of Economics.
Meyer was an active communist early in life before his conversion to conservatism and his joining of National Review. As a conservative, Meyer—like many of the magazine’s founding senior editors an ex-Communist—was a close adviser to and confidant of founder/editor William F. Buckley, Jr.
In the late 1960s, Meyer engaged in a debate over the role of Abraham Lincoln with conservative Harry V. Jaffa. Meyer argued that Lincoln’s abuses of civil liberties and expansion of government power should make him anathema to conservatives, while Jaffa defended Lincoln as a continuation of the Founding Fathers. [1]
Meyer is best known for his theory of “fusionism”—a political philosophy that unites elements of libertarianism and conservatism. (Murray Rothbard argued, however, that Meyer’s fusionism was actually the natural law-natural rights branch of libertarian thought that Rothbard and others followed.[2]) Meyer’s philosophy was presented in two books, In Defense of Freedom and a collection of his essays, The Conservative Affirmation. It was reviewed affirmatively by journalist Ryan Sager in 2007’s The Elephant in the Room: Evangelicals, Libertarians, and the Battle for the Soul of the Republican Party, in which Sager called for a principled revival of Meyer’s fusionism to save the embattled party following its 2006 electoral defeats.
better info here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard48.html
I’m going to sleep. If anybody wants to discuss ecigs tomorrow I’ll be happy to get back on track. Granted, half the distractions were my own fault.
Somebody should write a song....
It’s my vanity and I’ll whine if I want to.
Good night.
mmmmmm I heard that the (FDA) cigarette bill has something in it about e-cigarettes. Have you looked into it? Gal who sold me smokes at local BP store was talking about all the cigarettes & cigars they were going to lose (flavored) and mentioned that the bill also included e-cigarettes. True?
Started at age 30. ;)
Yes, there’s a reference to it, but it’s pretty vague.
ALL flavored cigs will be eliminated with the exception for menthol.
Some of the wordings in the bill could be construed to refer to ecigs, if one were to stretch it.
I had a lot of luck, with the Nicotrol inhaler when I quit. It gives you about 4mg of nicotine....about 3 marlboro’s worth. I have actually gotten the dizzy feeling from this inhaler, and hiccups as it delivers too much nicotine, if you don’t follow the directions. Its not to use instead of cigarettes, but is to be used to quit. It is fairly expensive, but in the scheme of things, cheap if it works. I’d recommend this to anyone, as I found it to be the best method I’d tried. I used the inhaler for a few weeks, then patches for a few more weeks, and then done. I had been up to 2+ packs of marlboros, for some 30+ years. Good luck to those of you trying to quit, and to those that don’t want to quit, I hope the Nazi’s get out of your business.
BUMP!
Tomatoes, potatoes and chili peppers have nicotine.
7.5 Mutagenicity NicotineIn the Ames Salmonella typhimurium mutagenesis and mammalian cell cytogenic assays, nicotine did not posses any genotoxic activity, although it induced separable DNA damage in the Escherichia coli pol A+/A-system (US Department of Health and Human Services, 1988)
Apparently you never Googled it and just made up your claims.
Heh-heh!
On that e-cig forum, there are many people who say they have vaped on a plane.
Some just do it in their seat, exhaling into their sleeve, a blanket or a pillow. No odor! Others go to the lavatory and do it in there, vape I mean and probably er, whatever else they need to do.
I’ll be flying to Germany for business in a few weeks, gonna do it!
Everywhere I go, a cloud of vapor follows.
I’ve received NO hostility. Only curiosity.
Thanks I appreciate the help.
I consider it my contribution to the unravelling of The One’s plans.
One big middle finger holding an ecig.
OMG...I got the 36mg MarBoro Juice today from TW...what a HIT!
Just great throat hit, just like a real ciggy.
NOW I can really go at cutting out the tobacco based analogs!
Three days from order to receipt.
Still waiting for my NJOY Pro and BLU!!!
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