And your total acceptance of the Lost Cause Myth is noted as well.
Some better quotes bellow
Yes, let's look at them shall we?
“Negroes have natural rights, however, as other men have, although they cannot enjoy them here . . . no sane man will attempt to deny that the African upon his own soil has all the natural rights that instrument vouchsafes to all mankind.”
First of all, where is Lincoln incorrect here? Where in all of the United States did blacks enjoy anywhere near the same rights as whites? In the South they were slaves. And those few not slaves, had no rights at all that a white man was bound to respect, as the Southern Chief Justice of the Supreme Court had ruled in 1856. And as bad as things were for free blacks in the South, they weren't a whole lot better in the North. So Lincoln hadn't discovered anything new in that quote, he was merely stating the obvious. The U.S., North and South, was a society where black people were not welcome unless they were actually someones property. Surely this is not news to you? So in light of this, where exactly was Lincoln wrong in pointing out that things were different in Africa? And what is so evil in Lincoln's suggestion that they might be better off carving out a life for themselves free from the oppression and racism they faced in the U.S.? Are you honestly trying to suggest that blacks were better off as slaves or as free men in the U.S. of the time? Are you saying that they would not enjoy the rights that they were denied in the U.S.? Or are you suggesting that they, as a race, were not capable of making it on their own without the benevolent institution of chattel slavery? Which is it?
“Judge Douglas has said to you that he has not been able to get from me an answer to the question whether I am in favor of Negro citizenship. . . . I tell him very frankly that I am not in favor of Negro citizenship”
Ellipsis are wonderful things...if you're trying to hide something. Let's look at Lincoln's quote in full. It's from the fourth debate in Charleston BTW.
"Judge Douglas has said to you that he has not been able to get from me an answer to the question whether I am in favor of negro citizenship. So far as I know, the judge never asked me the question before. He shall have no occasion to ever ask it again, for I tell him very frankly that I am not in favor of negro citizenship. This furnishes me an occasion for saying a few words upon the subject. I mentioned in a certain speech of mine, which has been printed, that the Supreme Court had decided that a negro could not possibly be made a citizen, and without saying what was my ground of complaint in regard to that, or whether I had any ground of complaint, Judge Douglas has from that thing manufactured nearly everything that he ever says about my disposition to produce an equality between the negroes and the white people. If any one will read my speech, he will find I mentioned that as one of the points decided in the course of the Supreme Court opinions, but I did not state what objection I had to it. But Judge Douglas tells the people what my objection was when I did not tell them myself. Now my opinion is that the different States have the power to make a negro a citizen under the Constitution of the United States, if they choose. The Dred Scott decision decides that they have not that power. If the State of Illinois had that power, I should be opposed to the exercise of it."
So Lincoln is only acknowledging what a Southern Chief Justice did two years prior - strip an entire race of citizenship merely because they were black. Lincoln did not oppose citizenship to blacks, it was prevented by a court decision. You will note that he makes if clear that if the states did have the power to grant citizenship to blacks then it would be fine with him if Illinois went and did so.
”There is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will for ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race”
First debate in Ottawa. But why didn't you continue? Next sentence:
"I have never said anything to the contrary, but I hold that, notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence-the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. I agree with Judge Douglas he is not my equal in many respects-certainly not in color, perhaps not in moral or intellectual endowment. But in the right to eat the bread, without the leave of anybody else, which his own hand earns, he is my equal and the equal of Judge Douglas, and the equal of every living man."
So let's cut to the chase. Please provide us with a single quote from a single Southern leader of the rebellion that indicated he thought that a black man was his equal in any way? Please provide a quote from a Southern leader that indicated they believed blacks were entitled to any rights at all? Surely you can do that, can't you? Your chance to show how far Lincoln's positions were out of the mainstream Southern idea of universal sufferage and brotherhood between the races? Isn't that what you saying the South stood for and that evil Lincoln was deadset against?
“We must not disturb slavery in the states where it exists, because the constitution, and the peace of the country, both forbid us”
Again a partial quote from notes Lincoln was putting together for a speech in Kansas and Ohio in 1859. And again a partial quote out of context.
"We want, and must have, a national policy, as to slavery, which deals with it as being a wrong. Whoever would prevent slavery from becoming national and perpetual, yields all, when he yields to a policy which treat it either as being right, or as being a matter of indifference. We admit that the U.S. general government is not charged with the duty of redressing, or preventing, all the wrongs in the world. But that government rightfully may, and, subject to the constitution, ought to redress and prevent all wrongs, which are wrongs to the nation itself. It is expressly charged with the duty of providing for the general welfare. Those who do not think this are not of us, and we cannot argue with them. We must shape our own course, by our own judgment.
We must not disturb slavery where it exists, because the Constitution, and the peace of the country both forbid us. We must not withhold an efficient fugitive slave law, because the Constitution demands it.
But we must, by a national policy, prevent the spread of slavery into the new territories, or free states, because the Constitution does not forbid us., and the general welfare does not demand such prevention – We must prevent the revival of the African slave trade, because the Constitution does not forbid us, and the general welfare does not require the prevention. We must prevent these things being done, by either Congress or courts. The people – the people –are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts – not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert it.
And your total denial of Lincoln being a 1860’s era Flip Flopping Liberal John Kerry is noted!
Lincoln's dream of a Lily White socialist America are undeniable.
But Judge Douglas is especially horrified at the thought of the mixing blood by the white and black races: agreed for once-a thousand times agreed. There are white men enough to marry all the white women, and black men enough to marry all the black women; and so let them be married. On this point we fully agree with the Judge; and when he shall show that his policy is better adapted to prevent amalgamation than ours we shall drop ours, and adopt his. . . .
I have said that the separation of the races is the only perfect preventive of amalgamation. I have no right to say all the members of the Republican party are in favor of this, nor to say that as a party they are in favor of it. There is nothing in their platform directly on the subject. But I can say a very large proportion of its members are for it, and that the chief plank in their platform - opposition to the spread of slavery - is most favorable to that separation.
December 1, 1862
“Applications have been made to me by many free Americans of African descent to favor their emigration, with a view to such colonization as was contemplated in recent acts of Congress. Other parties, at home and abroad - some from interested motives, others upon patriotic considerations, and still others influenced by philanthropic sentiments - have suggested similar measures; while, on the other hand, several of the Spanish-American republics have protested against the sending of such colonies to their respective territories. Under these circumstances, I have declined to move any such colony to any state, without first obtaining the consent of its government, with an agreement on its part to receive and protect such emigrants in all the rights of freemen; and I have, at the same time, offered to the several states situated within the tropics, or having colonies there, to negotiate with them, subject to the advice and consent of the Senate, to favor the voluntary emigration of persons of that class to their respective territories, upon conditions which shall be equal, just, and humane. Liberia and Hayti are, as yet, the only countries to which colonists of African descent from here, could go with certainty of being received and adopted as citizens; and I regret to say such persons, contemplating colonization, do not seem so willing to migrate to those countries, as to some others, nor so willing as I think their interest demands. I believe, however, opinion among them, in this respect, is improving; and that, ere long, there will be an augmented, and considerable migration to both these countries, from the United States”