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You tried to make the point that tariffs were always paid at the point of arrival.

Tariffs are paid at the point of delivery. Where they are landed and delivered. Always.

My question is, how could deep draft ocean transports land dutiable goods first at places like Augusta and Knoxville?

Ocean transports wouldn't, but there was a very active steamboat traffic on all the rivers.

And why would tariffs not be charged before transshipment?

You introduced the solution yourself. Goods landed in New Orleans and placed in bond, as the Warehousing Act allowed, would not be taxed until they were delivered. Be that New Orleans or Nashville. Have you forgotten the Warehousing Act to begin with? There were warehouses in New Orleans, since it was the busiest Southern port and the gateway to the midwest. Just nothing like the warehouses in New York.

And you still haven't mentioned exactly how much in the way of tariffs we're talking about.

Doesn't that seem inconsistent with your scheme of payment at the point of arrival, which, in your mind, means that the final consumer is standing there on the wharf in New York, waiting for his clock and stemware from England?

I'm not being inconsistent at all, you are. You brought up the Warehousing Act. The act, as I assume you know, allows for the delay of paying tariffs until delivery to the ultimate customer. Now if that customer is in Charleston then the tariff is paid when delivered to Charleston. If the customer is in New York, the tax is collected in New York. The fact that comparatively little was paid in Charleston and New Orleans is further proof that few imports were consumed by people in those areas.

You are now changing your story. First you say in post #1258 that "Duties were collected where the goods were landed..."

Then in #1330 you change the description from "landed" to "Tariffs are paid at the point of delivery. Where they are landed and delivered. Always"

Let's see now. First the tariff is paid at landing....ie the warehouses in New York, Philadelphia, or Boston....or so you said.

But now you say that the tariff is paid at point of delivery.

Is delivery the same as landed?

Then you say that tariffs are "always paid at point of landing and delivery.

So, if the goods land in New York, and are posted to be delivered to a dealer in Charleston, then where is the tariff paid?

I said: "My question is, how could deep draft ocean transports land dutiable goods first at places like Augusta and Knoxville?

You said: "Ocean transports wouldn't, but there was a very active steamboat traffic on all the rivers.

Was that just like the very active steamboat traffic that ran coastal routes? You know, like the Star of the West, and the Nashville, and the Baltic?

You are making progress. Several posts back, you said: "Tariffs are paid at the point of landing."

Then in post #1330 you first say tariffs are paid at point of "landing", but then you add the concept of the goods being "delivered".

Good, because sometimes goods "landed" in New York and then had to be "delivered" to Charleston or Savannah.

Then you add this statement:

" Now if that customer is in Charleston then the tariff is paid when delivered to Charleston. If the customer is in New York, the tax is collected in New York."

That is true some of the time.

Some customers came to New York from other areas to inspect and sign for bonds. They paid the tariffs on their goods shipped back home, maybe Charleston.

Therefore that consumer paid the tariff in a state other than where it was consumed.

Then, sometimes, a New York importer paid the tariff, shipped the item south, and charged the consumer the tariff and freight charges.

So, again, examples of the fact that point of landing and point of consumption, ie where the tariff was paid, are not related.