The real trick to secession is the briar patch approach,
You have to make it so they want to get rid of ya.....
Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck
Well at least he was willing to work. ;~))
I agree totally. Can you point to the usurpations or abuses of power that occurred in 1860 that justified secession?
As Madison said in his letter to Webster in 1833, unilateral secession is nothing but a "violation of a faith solemnly pledged."
free dixie,sw
i think NOT.
as i've said repeatedly, any thoughtful reading of the 10th Amendment to the BOR will tell the reader that unilateral secession was/IS LAWFUL & precisely what the representatives of each of the STATES intended.
EVERY power of each of the FREE states, that formed the union, that was CEDED to the central government were ENUMERATED. NOTHING was "left to guesswork".
free dixie,sw
It’s true that the movie wasn’t that accurate, but what movies are? I do remember enjoying it though. At least I think I remember enjoying it. LOL!
Yes I do. But before you try and jump on that second half of the sentence I should also point out that Madison also said, "The characteristic distinction between free Governments and Governments not free is, that the former are founded on compact, not between the Government and those for whom it acts, but between the parties creating the Government. Each of those being equal, neither can have more rights to say that the compact has been violated and dissolved, than every other has to deny the fact, and to insist on the execution of the bargains."
Well, I did enjoy it, but as a WBTS Reenactor, I cringe when movies try to accurately portray soldiers. “Gettysburg and “Gods and Generals” were more accurate than most..... :)
I notice all sorts of things, like in “Blue & Gray” where soldiers were using 1870’s “trap door” springfield rifles..UGH! :)
Stand no state has ever freely joined save for the original thirteen, every other state after this country was created has gone through an admission process by which they had to meet certain requirement in order to join the union.
It is you that is “UNEDUCATED, SILLY & frankly, NOT intelligent”.
Your position is that a state can join or leave whenever it wants with no consequences and that a state may use force (instant divorce style) to achieve such autonomy without an sort of consequence from all the other states.
You seem to forget that the civil war which you prefer to call the war of northern aggression or some other term de rigueur according to neoconfederate groups is more accurately call the war between the states.
Because it was ultimately the congress of the states representatives in both houses that approved the war in the first place and funded it in the second place. As evil as you would like to portray Lincoln he could do nothing without the support of the congress, oddly enough the very congress where I believe the south should have argued for secession....
Actually, I consider myself a citizen of the Great State of Texas, FIRST. (Like Robert E. Lee)
Got a passport?
Actually , no.
Better hurry then, a Texas Passport requires a lot more than a Forged COLB from Hawaii and a bad photograph...
What was secret was the fact that the “Star of the West” was carrying WEAPONS.
By the way that Yankee ship is sitting at the bottom of Galveston Bay, sent there by the C.S.S. Alabama :) (before her demise by the Union Navy)
I am bewildered that a Native Texan like yourself, (as I am!) would object to my belief..... ?
Oh I once believed that the south was right and that secession could be automatic and instantaneous, but defending it for a great many years has changed my thinking.
The south could have avoided a great deal of suffering and bloodshed if it had sued for secession in congress. Certainly there were factions within the Congress that were perfectly willing to support a southern secession WITHOUT bloodshed some were perfectly willing to divide this country just to be rid of the south for political power they would gain.
It would make an interesting piece of fiction to conjure up the sort of debate that would have occured if the south has sought to secede through the congress.
Certainly more interesting than claiming that the confederate Navy captured a WWII u boat with some fishing line...
And troops. Wasn't much of a secret.
By the way that Yankee ship is sitting at the bottom of Galveston Bay, sent there by the C.S.S. Alabama :) (before her demise by the Union Navy)
I think you're thinking of the USS Hatteras, which was sunk by the Alabama off Galveston in January 1863. What's left of the Star of the West is on the bottom of the Tallahatchie where the rebs sank her to block the river.
The Hatteras, by the way, was one of only two actual warships the Alabama faced. Her record is one for two.
Based on this forum, peacefull secession is impossible, not the Yankee way.....
The real trick to secession is the briar patch approach,
You have to make it so they want to get rid of ya.....
OOPs! LOL. You are right, NS. It was the Hatteras. She just ran into one that was more heavily armed. I guess my memory is not what it used to be. :)
Oh I know THAT feeling...
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