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To: trek
Well, I was trying to get an argument out of the boy.

He didn't stick around though. Made his racist statement and scooted on...

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The whole situation looked different back in the time of Lincoln. Many of the newly freed slaves had actually been born in Africa at that point. In fact, the country of Liberia was a private venture started by former President Monroe and other financiers in order to create an African homeland of sorts that freed blacks could go back to if they wished. Liberia has a very interesting history- the first president of that country was an American black named Joseph Jenkins Roberts from Virginia (for example). It is perhaps the only true American colony but not a true one at all because our government never wanted any part of it.

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But that's neither here nor there. That other freeper's comment was offensive and racist and does not belong on the forum. We are all tainted by his view and I, for one, do not like it. Let him get in a boat and ship his sorry arse back to whatever rock his ancestors crawled out from under.

16 posted on 05/16/2009 5:45:56 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Its a small point, but Lincoln's favorite plan was to ship the freed slaves to Central America not Africa. Interestingly, because he believed many of them would want to be close to the land of their birth. And Africa was a very long journey at the time.

For the record, I have a lot of sympathy for the descendants of the slaves. Uniquely, among Americans their ancestors did not choose to come here. And I think a lot of what makes an American is a spirit of self reliance and a quest to be free of authority much of which is cultural. Bill Murray put it pretty well in Stripes when he said "our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world." We are indeed the descendants of the misfits that were driven to defy authority.

This same process of self selection did not happen for the Africans brought here as slaves. Although in an interesting way it is happening today with immigrants from places like Jamaica and even Nigeria. You read an occasional piece from some dunderhead journalist puzzled by the fact that most black immigrants thrive in America while many native born blacks do not. This is not hard to understand. It is the self selection process described above. But you can't see this if all you see is color. In other words you can't see this if you are a racist (as most on the left are).

To make matters worse, the Constitutional Convention failed to resolve the question of slavery. Punting this issue turned out to be a real blunder. And the Founders have to be held to accounts. I suspect that if the Founders could take a mulligan on that one, knowing what transpired "four scour and seven years" later they would do it differently. But the descendants of the slaves can with some justification say that the Constitution never protected them. Not even after the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments (14 and 15 as well as 16 and 17 should be repealed by the way). Add in the enmity generated by Reconstruction and you have a pretty sad state of affairs.

Given all this it is not really surprising that a large portion of the black community does not share our values. Hell, most of the white people do not really understand the value system on which the country was founded. This is a sad reality that is not going to change.

Despite Obama a large portion of the black community will likely remain antagonistic towards the country. This is why it is so foolish for the Stupid Party to keep trying to win them over in large numbers. The members of the black community who understand and appreciate the uniqueness of the American experiment are already on board. The rest are hopelessly adrift and I fear will remain in the thrall of their Democrat overseers for a very long time.

17 posted on 05/16/2009 6:21:34 PM PDT by trek
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