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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; wagglebee
What's ironic is that by your standards, Christ was a Pharisee.

I understand what you are trying to do troll. If you want to pretend Christ was about those things, go ahead. People like you have been around for a long time. The self-professed Christians Mahatma Ghandi was refering to when he said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Unfortunately Ghandi was subjected to people who view Christianity the way you do, not those truly seeking to be Christ-like in action and attitudes.

The attitudes and behaviors associated with Christ are love, humility, compassion, patience, kindness, selflessness, being a good servant-leader. Wagglebee has exhibited none of these on this forum. In fact, as soon as he gets a post that may challenge him the first thing he does is ping his list. If Wagglebee is the one you have chosen to follow at his beck and call, look a little higher source for guidance.

440 posted on 05/12/2009 7:32:26 PM PDT by Birch T. Barlow (Go Mariners! Certain 2009 AL West champions!)
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To: Birch T. Barlow
I understand what you are trying to do troll. If you want to pretend Christ was about those things, go ahead. People like you have been around for a long time. The self-professed Christians Mahatma Ghandi was refering to when he said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Unfortunately Ghandi was subjected to people who view Christianity the way you do, not those truly seeking to be Christ-like in action and attitudes.

What Gandhi liked was a christ which he invented for himself, which had nothing to do with the Biblical Christ.

So, uh, exactly what is it that you think is "unChristlike" about biblical morals and standards?

441 posted on 05/12/2009 7:35:14 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Spock didn't need a teleprompter)
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To: Birch T. Barlow
The attitudes and behaviors associated with Christ are love, humility, compassion, patience, kindness, selflessness, being a good servant-leader.

If I am not mistaken, he was also considered:
Wonderful, Counselor, The Might God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace!

444 posted on 05/12/2009 7:46:40 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Birch T. Barlow; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; wagglebee

You need to get your view of Christ corrected, troll. Christ was not a feely good wuss who was more worried about not hurting everyone’s feelings than for standing up for the truth. He took a strong stand for truth and *gasp* morals to the point of equating thought life with actions.

Read the Sermon on the Mount for starters and then this....

Matt 23: 13-36 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.’ You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. And he who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.


468 posted on 05/12/2009 8:15:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Birch T. Barlow
The attitudes and behaviors associated with Christ are love, humility, compassion, patience, kindness, selflessness, being a good servant-leader.

These attributes of Christ are very often used to mislead people. For instance, the homosexual lobby will often point to Christ and say things like "Christ says judge not" or "whoever is without sin can cast the first stone". They try to portray Christ as a man of endless tolerance and love for everything who wouldn't possibly condemn homosexual behavior. Your suggestion here seems to be an extension of that kind of thinking.

My question to you is this: do you think the money-changers in the temple saw Christ as a loving, caring, tolerant man who exhibited only patience and kindness, or do you think they thought he was a complete a-hole who spewed nothing but hatred and violence?

Christ was kind and loving toward those who followed Him and those who were lost. To those who were rebellious and disrespectful toward God, He had no problem issuing the severest of smackdowns. Here's the quote from Christ in the Bible that everyone seems to forget: "I have come not to bring peace, but a sword."
510 posted on 05/12/2009 10:49:48 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Birch T. Barlow
The attitudes and behaviors associated with Christ are love, humility, compassion, patience, kindness, selflessness, being a good servant-leader. Wagglebee has exhibited none of these on this forum. In fact, as soon as he gets a post that may challenge him the first thing he does is ping his list. If Wagglebee is the one you have chosen to follow at his beck and call, look a little higher source for guidance.

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It's clear you know nothing about wagglebee.

Envy much?

546 posted on 05/13/2009 6:11:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Birch T. Barlow; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; metmom; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; ...
I understand what you are trying to do troll. If you want to pretend Christ was about those things, go ahead. People like you have been around for a long time. The self-professed Christians Mahatma Ghandi was refering to when he said "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Unfortunately Ghandi was subjected to people who view Christianity the way you do, not those truly seeking to be Christ-like in action and attitudes.

The attitudes and behaviors associated with Christ are love, humility, compassion, patience, kindness, selflessness, being a good servant-leader. Wagglebee has exhibited none of these on this forum. In fact, as soon as he gets a post that may challenge him the first thing he does is ping his list. If Wagglebee is the one you have chosen to follow at his beck and call, look a little higher source for guidance.

Just so we are clear, I DID NOT ping any complete lists, I merely pinged a few FReepers who I know would be interested.

For starters you have NEVER answered the simple question I posed in post #311, Out of curiosity what is it you find "haughty" about morality? While I do not know for certain exactly why you refuse, my assumption is that your sole intent is to hurl invectives at those who do not subscribe to your brand of moral relativism.

So, I thought I would clarify things and explain to you precisely what I believe and why.

I believe that the Ten Commandments and the "Sermon on the Mount" as found in the Gospel of Matthew chapters 5, 6 and 7 tells us exactly how to live our lives. Further, I believe that our Lord's discourse on the sheep and the goats found in the last portion of chapter 25 of Matthew clarifies how we are to treat one another. And while I believe that the acceptance of Christ is necessary for Salvation, I also believe that these Teachings are absolute and valid for Christians and non-Christians alike.

I believe that, through the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, our Founding Fathers gave us a near-perfect form of government and plan for its function. I believe that these were based firmly on Judeo-Christian principles and that abandonment of these principles is the greatest danger our Republic will ever face.

I believe that Ronald Reagan's 1975 CPAC speech, Let Them Go Their Way, provides the clearest blueprint for conservatism and I also believe that the GOP has abandoned nearly all conservative principles. I believe that it is possibly to reform the GOP into the party that Reagan envisioned and formed, but that this is unlikely.

Yes, as everyone knows, I have been in charge of the Moral Absolutes ping list for several years. I believe that just as nature has immutable laws, there are also immutable moral laws. There ARE right and wrongs and they are precise and inflexible as gravity, but for too long the moral relativists have tried to redefine and minimize these and THIS more than anything else is the source of most of society's problems.

I also have been doing the Homosexual Agenda ping list for several years. I believe that homosexuality is unnatural, immoral, sinful and unhealthy. That being said, if two people want to be left alone to live this way, that is their choice, my chief opposition is their insistence that society accept and validate their lifestyle and the force indoctrination of others. This ping list IS NOT as you have previously suggested an "anal" ping lit.

I have been running the Terri Dailies ping list for several months and have been involved with almost since its inception. Nearly all of the threads I post and participate in are pro-life in nature. I believe that life is an absolute right from God and find it quite disturbing that this is even a subject of debate on a conservative forum, yet it is.

Just so we are clear, I have no problem with people who disagree with me. I have been a part of a great many Catholic vs. Protestant theological debates on here and I have pinged a few FReepers who I have had these arguments with. However, I believe they will all agree that I DO NOT carry grudges toward them and I have joined them in support on far more threads than I have opposed them on.

So, if, as you claim, you want to challenge me, then challenge me. Calling me a hypocrite IS NOT a challenge, it is an insult which exposes your own ignorance.

608 posted on 05/13/2009 12:55:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Birch T. Barlow
The attitudes and behaviors associated with Christ are love, humility, compassion, patience, kindness, selflessness, being a good servant-leader. Wagglebee has exhibited none of these on this forum. In fact, as soon as he gets a post that may challenge him the first thing he does is ping his list. If Wagglebee is the one you have chosen to follow at his beck and call, look a little higher source for guidance.

Wagglebee is a respected FReeper with many friends. Who are you, n00b? What was your previous screen name?

623 posted on 05/13/2009 1:38:35 PM PDT by Judith Anne
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