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To: george76

Yes. The “stream bank damage” argument is downright childish. Another example of the childishness of suburban trout fishermen’s associations would be an addition to Colorado regulations, where out-of-state trout fishermen managed to outlaw live bait for kids there. ...shame. Let them stock their eastern suburban backyards with trout, IMO.

The word, overgrazed, is linguistic activism used by environmentalists—a word that can be beaten by proper rudimentary education in agriculture. Pastures need fertilization and seeding, even in drier areas. Soil needs healthy roots to hold it in place and to retain water. Richer pastures do not noticeably deprive aquifers of water.

As for trout, they need rocky streams, and herds of cattle only drink and ford in very small parts of those streams. Trout have coexisted with vast numbers of buffalo, elk, deer and antelope on the ranges. They can coexist with relatively small herds of cattle.

Me...I’ll shoot various ruminants and others, consume some of ‘em, tag ‘em and make coats and rugs out of ‘em. That should make the slick city entertainers of trout happy, but it probably won’t. ;-)


27 posted on 05/11/2009 1:48:25 AM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

I was visiting a ranch a few years ago in Oregon. The rancher ran a bunch of cattle up on BLM land. He said that many years ago their was a section of stream that the BLM folks came into and fenced off so the cattle couldn’t get near it. Then they cleaned it up of all the dead trees and stuff around the creek.

Many years latter they came back in, took down the fences, and hauled in old logs and stumps to dump in the creek! Turns out the trout like the shelter of the “junk” in the stream. (I’ve know that since I was a little kid - 40+ years ago!!??). And it seems that the cows tromping through parts of the creek stir up the bugs and critters hiding under the rocks which distributes them better along the creek, and keeps too much muck from settling in the creek.


28 posted on 05/11/2009 1:55:07 AM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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