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UFO or not UFO? Area 51 declassifying pours cold water on theory..
The Tech Herald ^ | April 12th, 2009 | Rich Bowden

Posted on 04/13/2009 11:39:11 AM PDT by TaraP

A former engineer at the top secret airfield "Area 51" in Nevada has spoken out about UFO sightings in the region in the 1960s, saying the witnessed flashes of light were part of top secret US aircraft experiments.

In an interview with ABC News, Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51 said: "No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."

Barnes was an electronics engineer for NASA who also specialised in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft and was asked to join a team of CIA experts who would work on secret military projects at the infamous base.

UFO folklore has it that Area 51, about 80 miles north northwest of Las Vegas, is where captured aliens and their spacecraft have been stored by the US military. The conspiracy theory comes in part because of the preponderance of strange, unaccounted for lights that have been seen in the region of the top secret military base.

However Barnes poured cold water on the theory saying the "alien spaceships" were in fact light flashes from top secret spy planes being flown at 2,000 miles per hour at altitudes of 90,000 feet.

The experimental planes produced light flashes that some interpreted as alien spaceships and this was considered helpful by the team in covering their activities.

"We considered it to be a bonus," said Barnes. "They made it easier to conceal what we were doing."

However some ufologists have said the area has only been partly declassified and UFO work at the base may well have carried out though in a region unknown to engineers such as Barnes.

"Those guys who came forward may very well be telling the truth, with the caveat that they wouldn't know if there was something going on," said Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear physicist, lecturer and top UFO researcher.

Friedman added that evidence coming out of places such as Area 51 proved how much was going on in the country without peoples' knowledge.

"National security has a real place in all of this stuff. There is no way to tell your friends without telling your enemies," he said. "A lot of Americans woke up to the fact that there's a lot going on that they don't get told about."


TOPICS: Conspiracy; UFO's
KEYWORDS: aatip; area51; fringe; mystery; ohsomysteriouso; uap; ufo; ufos; usaf
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To: Quix

“trying to convince myself that Navajos were not Native Americans with a homeland in NM and AZ.”

They aren’t. They are aliens. I have seen tons of documentation from “reliable sources,” many of them OFFICIALS in Government that have shown conclusively that Navajos are aliens from space. How else to explain Navajo code talkers in WWII. Do you really believe the Germans didn’t have at least one or two Navajo speakers among all their troops. Only a fool could believe that. Besides there is evidence that is being held at area 51 which would be released except for that danged conspiracy.


361 posted on 04/14/2009 11:29:41 AM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

That’s essentially what we get from the naysayers.

Usually from the first words out of their fingers.

They’ve trained us well.

Now we speak their language with great fluency.


362 posted on 04/14/2009 12:13:12 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Shall we lay the sequences out on a timeline on all the threads for all to see?

Naw . . . better things to do.

Yeah, I’m quite willing to RESPOND in kind. Probably too willing.

However it is persistently A RESPONSE in kind.


363 posted on 04/14/2009 12:14:45 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: yazoo

Not a very convincing effort.

But about a C+ for creativity.


364 posted on 04/14/2009 12:15:33 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: yazoo
All modern technological advances can be traced to aliens.

Anyone who denies this is wrong. If it weren't for the aliens we would still be riding horses to work.

Well, maybe we would be listening to the radio and riding bikes. Okay we might be riding automobiles but the radio wouldn't have transistors in it. RADAR was stolen from the aliens too.

If these aliens came up with all these wonderful things than why doesn't the government come forward and release all the information.

We are adults we can handle it.

Most conspiracy theories have a reason and I can't come up with a reasonable one for hiding alien contact.

Why isn't there a government conspiracy to hide the existence of bigfoot?

365 posted on 04/14/2009 12:16:25 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Quix

“But about a C+ for creativity.”

I’m taking this to my home room teacher. i think it deserved a B.


366 posted on 04/14/2009 12:18:52 PM PDT by yazoo (was)
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To: Quix

I see you conveniently skipped my post 358. Hmmm, I wonder why. Well, no, I really don’t wonder, i KNOW why! LMAO!


367 posted on 04/14/2009 12:22:20 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Quix

I see you conveniently skipped my post 358. Hmmm, I wonder why. Well, no, I really don’t wonder, i KNOW why! LMAO!


368 posted on 04/14/2009 12:22:20 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Quix

I see you conveniently skipped my post 358. Hmmm, I wonder why. Well, no, I really don’t wonder, i KNOW why! LMAO!


369 posted on 04/14/2009 12:22:20 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: yazoo

LOL.


370 posted on 04/14/2009 12:24:08 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Quix

Except it’s not just a response in kind. You’ve been persistently insulting to me and I’ve never insulted you once. You are what you say the naysayers are: rude, insulting, unwilling to listen others, and a resident of your own construct upon reality.


371 posted on 04/14/2009 12:32:57 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: razorboy

You are quite welcome to write me off.

I’d consider it an honor.

I have no great compulsion to repeat the tons of stuff I’ve posted on other FR threads on this one.


372 posted on 04/14/2009 1:06:17 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GunRunner

I may have even made some of those comments on this thread.

I feel no great compulsion to add more at this time.

In any case, you can read some such on my home page. Enjoy.


373 posted on 04/14/2009 1:07:18 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Travis, you can research those famous cases on the net as well as most of us.

I’m not your library clerk either.


374 posted on 04/14/2009 1:07:59 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

I think it of a kind of charity to help folks learn to receive what they dish out in such abundance.


375 posted on 04/14/2009 1:08:33 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: outpostinmass2

Who said there’s no government conspiracy to hide bigfoot! LOL.

Most sources insist that the government is afraid of social breakdown with disclosure.

Most of us think that the oligarchy is loathe to admit all they’ve been up to in the field as well as loathe to risk any diminishing of their DEATH GRIP !!!!CONTROL!!!! OVER THE EXOTIC TECHNOLOGIES INVOLVED.


376 posted on 04/14/2009 1:10:39 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: yazoo

May be B-

That’s the best I can do.


377 posted on 04/14/2009 1:11:07 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Actually, I must have scrolled by it. Wasn’t intentional.

The more famous cases listed above have ample proof of such . . . though it remains to be seen if the critters are

alien as in other planets or . . .

other dimensional.

or both.


378 posted on 04/14/2009 1:12:43 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: razorboy

Guess I’ll have to check out your allegation when I make the time to bother.

I certainly prefer to only return in kind to those who dish it out.

I don’t know, at the moment, what left me feeling compelled to class you in with that group other than your tone and attitude in your responses. Maybe I’ll get around to checking it out. I don’t prefer to make errors in such matters.


379 posted on 04/14/2009 1:14:40 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

LOL!


380 posted on 04/14/2009 1:15:29 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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