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UFO or not UFO? Area 51 declassifying pours cold water on theory..
The Tech Herald ^ | April 12th, 2009 | Rich Bowden

Posted on 04/13/2009 11:39:11 AM PDT by TaraP

A former engineer at the top secret airfield "Area 51" in Nevada has spoken out about UFO sightings in the region in the 1960s, saying the witnessed flashes of light were part of top secret US aircraft experiments.

In an interview with ABC News, Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51 said: "No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."

Barnes was an electronics engineer for NASA who also specialised in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft and was asked to join a team of CIA experts who would work on secret military projects at the infamous base.

UFO folklore has it that Area 51, about 80 miles north northwest of Las Vegas, is where captured aliens and their spacecraft have been stored by the US military. The conspiracy theory comes in part because of the preponderance of strange, unaccounted for lights that have been seen in the region of the top secret military base.

However Barnes poured cold water on the theory saying the "alien spaceships" were in fact light flashes from top secret spy planes being flown at 2,000 miles per hour at altitudes of 90,000 feet.

The experimental planes produced light flashes that some interpreted as alien spaceships and this was considered helpful by the team in covering their activities.

"We considered it to be a bonus," said Barnes. "They made it easier to conceal what we were doing."

However some ufologists have said the area has only been partly declassified and UFO work at the base may well have carried out though in a region unknown to engineers such as Barnes.

"Those guys who came forward may very well be telling the truth, with the caveat that they wouldn't know if there was something going on," said Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear physicist, lecturer and top UFO researcher.

Friedman added that evidence coming out of places such as Area 51 proved how much was going on in the country without peoples' knowledge.

"National security has a real place in all of this stuff. There is no way to tell your friends without telling your enemies," he said. "A lot of Americans woke up to the fact that there's a lot going on that they don't get told about."


TOPICS: Conspiracy; UFO's
KEYWORDS: aatip; area51; fringe; mystery; ohsomysteriouso; uap; ufo; ufos; usaf
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To: Frank_Discussion

That the naysayers have been oblivious to that shift in reality is very telling. Willfully blind, indeed.


INDEED.

Though in the last 6-18 months, that picture has been changing increasingly dramatically.


201 posted on 04/13/2009 4:39:39 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: allmendream

A THOROUGHLY INADEQUATE ASSUMPTION

THOROUGHLY UNSUPPORTED BY MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF EVIDENCE.


202 posted on 04/13/2009 4:40:56 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GunRunner

What balderdash.

How convenient.

Again, murderers are sent to execution on FAR, FAR, FAR LESS evidence and far far far fewer witnesses and expert testimony.


203 posted on 04/13/2009 4:41:56 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Because in some respects, we don’t give a rip

if a dyed-in-the-wool naysayer has a death grip on nonsensical assumptions and interpretations.

Folks that well insulated blindly AGAINST MOUNTAINS of quality evidence deserve to be deluded.


204 posted on 04/13/2009 4:43:08 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: razorboy

BALDERDASH.

That doesn’t have a SINGLE thing to do with it on the part of ANYONE on the 150+ member ping list that I know of.

WE ARE MERELY FOLLOWING THE EVIDENCE WHEREVER IT LEADS.


205 posted on 04/13/2009 4:44:17 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

INDEED.


206 posted on 04/13/2009 4:44:47 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: allmendream

WRONG.

EZEKIEL’s ‘chariot’ fits your description quite well.


207 posted on 04/13/2009 4:45:35 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

INDEED.


208 posted on 04/13/2009 4:46:51 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Frank_Discussion

THANKS TO THE MAX.

IT’S SOOOOOOOOOOOOO REFRESHING TO READ SOMEONE ELSE

WHO HAS AN ACCURATE AWARENESS of what goes on

on these threads.

And why exercises in futility are no longer very attractive.


209 posted on 04/13/2009 4:48:32 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

INDEED.


210 posted on 04/13/2009 4:49:14 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP
Is the earth the only habited planet in the universe?

The only planet with sentient life?

If so, then your hypothesis might be correct.

If not, then your hypothesis is overbroad.

In either case, we have no proof either way of either scenario.

211 posted on 04/13/2009 4:49:31 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Travis T. OJustice

It VIRTUALLY NEVER

matters what evidence

nor the quality of the evidence we provide . . .

it is ALWAYS met with derision.

And that’s “scientific.”

ROTFLOL! TO THE MAX.


212 posted on 04/13/2009 4:50:20 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: razorboy

SOOOOOOOOO

THE DEATH GRIP you have on your blind biases

AUTOMATICALLY

equal Deke telling the truth

AND THE ASTRONAUTS ON THE SCENE AS LYING.

THAT’S SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

SCIENTIFIC AND SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

OBJEVTIVE

AND SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO IMPRESSIVE.

PUKE.


213 posted on 04/13/2009 4:51:27 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

Prove a negative?


214 posted on 04/13/2009 4:51:28 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: TaraP

Or are you just one of the run of the mill *Scoffers*


Being overly generous?


215 posted on 04/13/2009 4:52:04 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

INDEED!


216 posted on 04/13/2009 4:52:54 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

How do we tell the difference between technology of man and technology of Demons?


217 posted on 04/13/2009 4:53:00 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Hulka

BALDERDASH.


218 posted on 04/13/2009 4:54:26 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Star Traveler

We do our part to try and keep the NAYSAYERS

off the streets.


219 posted on 04/13/2009 4:55:12 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: houeto

GREAT NARRATIVE.

Thx.


220 posted on 04/13/2009 4:56:23 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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