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To: mick

For the record, I do know how a Christian man should behave......I am saying behavior like that does not indicate the man has become a Christian.....just because he made an excellent movie, it did not change his life. Argue all you want, but it is what it is. And I do know people who had life changing religious experiences.....they do not commit adultery. If you want to berate me for my observations and comments flame away.


25 posted on 04/13/2009 5:28:08 PM PDT by tioga
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To: tioga
First of all you do not know his behavior. If we here at FR have learned anything over the yrs it is that the MSM will lie. And lie especially about the behavior of a person they do not like. And they do not like Mel Gibson.

Second, a man can be a Christian and still sin. Sin is what makes us human. Redemption is what makes us Christians.

It may make you feel superior to condemn a fallen man, but it reflects very poorly on you Christian duty to love your neighbor as yourself.

26 posted on 04/13/2009 5:46:12 PM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: tioga
For the record, I do know how a Christian man should behave......

I think most of us have a pretty good idea of the ideal. And if we're honest, I think we'd all say we fall short of that ideal. Daily. Maybe even hourly.

I am saying behavior like that does not indicate the man has become a Christian.....just because he made an excellent movie, it did not change his life.

No, I think you mean that he's not yet become a saint. IOW, his virtue is not yet heroic. "Christians" come in all shapes and flavors but all are a work in progress. All who strive to follow Christ can be called "Christian" even when they fall into sin, however seriously.

Remember the pain of St. Paul when he laments that he does "not the good which I intend but the evil which I do not intend" and he then goes on to make his famous statement; "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak". This applies to all of us. Some people most certainly do have life changing experiences and through the grace of God are able to leave behind their demons. Others struggle for years and repeatedly fall only to rise and struggle again. Everyone is different.

Who knows where Mel is on his journey? He may well have committed adultery, just as Mary Magdalen did. The real test of whether he is Christian is not the fall but the response to it. Is he truly remorseful for whatever sin he has committed and does he truly want to "go and sin no more" in the words of Jesus. These are things to which we are not privy.

I agree that giving scandal does serious damage to the Christian mission. Those who profess to follow Christ ought to live so as to be beyond the reproach of unbelievers and not cause them to turn away from the Gospel message, so in that respect I agree with you. However, as long as we draw breath, the struggle against sin will go on.

46 posted on 04/14/2009 7:56:03 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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