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Best fighter of WWII? (oldtimers poll)

Posted on 04/09/2009 2:29:15 PM PDT by mikeus_maximus

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To: EGPWS
Being from the Iron Works means the Bearcat would never have been "best" had it fought. Look at the lack of respect the "ace maker" gets relative to the Corsair glamorpuss.





The Bearcat was never going to be pretty enough for widespread accolades.
101 posted on 04/09/2009 3:39:14 PM PDT by Goldsborough (Yes Lauren, you are not cool enough to own a Mac.)
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To: alfa6
Any plane that can deliver beer to it's pilots has to be number 1:-)

Seriously, back when we couldn't get Coors beer in Minnesota and it was popular, we actually had a friend fly it from Colorado to us via P-51 for Coors was said to be lousy if it were allowed to get warm. ; )

102 posted on 04/09/2009 3:39:26 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: Ararat
Indeed.

The P-47, Corsair and F6F were all powered by the magnificent Pratt and Whitney R-2800 engine--the most powerful radial engine of its day.

And all three were superlative fighter aircraft.

103 posted on 04/09/2009 3:39:34 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: mikeus_maximus

Our side, European theatre- P51-D or later with the bubble canopies. The c’s were kinda cool with the partial bubble lowrider canopy though. Pacific Theatre- the Corasir.

Germany, the FW-190 and Ta-152 variants

Japan, the Tony, or their Me 163 knockoff the Shusui. (technically an interceptor)

Soviet Union, Yak-9.

Great Britain, of course the Spitfire.


104 posted on 04/09/2009 3:39:36 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean (Looking for the reset button.)
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To: jigmaster
Macguire was killed in combat with the Japanese...details escape me in my old age, but he was shot down.

Tommy McGuire was killed in a high-speed stall at low altitude. I think he just hit the jungle canopy. I'm not sure if he was engaged in a dogfight at the time -- probably. He could just as easily been trying to turn inside an opponent to pull-lead and just didn't quite make it.

The USAAC had a special P38 group that they sent wherever the air action was hottest in the Pacific. They were trying to run-up the score for a few select aces, or so I've read.

105 posted on 04/09/2009 3:40:25 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: mikeus_maximus
P-51 was a dog until the Brits put their Rolls-Royce engine into it.

I've always like the "Jug" myself. the 47 had long range, good speed (467 max.), large ordinance load and it could take a beating.
106 posted on 04/09/2009 3:40:58 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Victory in 2012...but first Victory in 2010!!!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

‘..good in a dive...”? Now we’re talking STUKA!


107 posted on 04/09/2009 3:41:51 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: alfa6

Alpha:

Check out a movie called (strangely) “Blue Planet”. It’s about a squadron of Czech pilots flying for the RAF during the Battle of Britain. Great shots of Spits and some pretty impressive CGI effects to get some of the aerial combat scenes.

The Spit looked like it was sculpted by a master artist. Quite possibly the most beautiful prop-driven aircraft ever.


108 posted on 04/09/2009 3:46:24 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: EGPWS

Hartmann is the all-time Ace of Aces. His combat career did NOT begin in Spain. He did’t begin flying combat until 1943.

As to the best fighter? All around? The P-47 hands down. It broke the back of the Luftwaffe before the P-51 came in with the broom and dustpan. It had the speed and firepower to be an effective air to air fighter and of course it excelled at low level work with its ability to haul ordnance. One thing that people forget about the P-47 is that with its turbo-supercharger it performed much better at high altitude where the bombers flew. This allowed it to maneuver with the best of the German fighters and it’s roll rate was phenomenal, almost, if not as good, as the FW-190. Most importantly, the Jug brought pilots home, often with valuable lessons learned.


109 posted on 04/09/2009 3:47:48 PM PDT by Crapgame (Palin/Coulter 2012)
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To: GonzoGOP

When my late father was a GM on the USS Wasp (CV-7)three years before Pearl Harbor (it was sunk by a Jap sub in 1942)he told me about the F2A Brewster Buffalos the carrier had.

It was a total turkey and the only kills it scored was when the Finns used them against even worse Russian turkeys in the early days of WWII.


110 posted on 04/09/2009 3:48:21 PM PDT by Happy Rain (The motto of the first white president was: "I cannot tell a lie.")
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To: Tallguy
The Spit looked like it was sculpted by a master artist. Quite possibly the most beautiful prop-driven aircraft ever.

No arguments on that one. The oval wings just make the look. I don't think there is a straight line anyplace on that aircraft, until they bobbed the wings that is.
111 posted on 04/09/2009 3:48:51 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Eye of Unk
Wuss plane...The P-47 had 8 .50's, 4 on each wing...That's firepower. :)
112 posted on 04/09/2009 3:49:49 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Victory in 2012...but first Victory in 2010!!!)
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To: Tallguy
The Spit looked like it was sculpted by a master artist. Quite possibly the most beautiful prop-driven aircraft ever.

I don't think there's any question. That's probably why it was derided as a "toy" by Goering at the outset of the war.

113 posted on 04/09/2009 3:50:13 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Happy Rain
It was a total turkey and the only kills it scored was when the Finns used them against even worse Russian turkeys in the early days of WWII.

Actually according to the Japanese some of the USMC Buffalo's got kills over Midway. Unfortunately none of the pilots survived long enough to paint the meatballs on their sides. A 100% casualty rate usually sufficient to put an aircraft near the bottom of the list.
114 posted on 04/09/2009 3:51:38 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Crapgame
Excellent post.

You are, of course, correct.

115 posted on 04/09/2009 3:51:42 PM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Eye of Unk

That would be Richard Bong’s P-38. He was the top scoring US ace of WWII.


116 posted on 04/09/2009 3:52:01 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Crapgame
We make a big mistake when we carried over the Corsair and the Mustang into the Korean war until we had complete jet support then, eh? ; )

Shoulda' used the "Jug"...

117 posted on 04/09/2009 3:52:09 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, Question everyone else)
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To: mikeus_maximus
The P-47 Thunderbolt (Jug) was an absolutely indestructible fighter. Not the fastest but indestructible.

Later variants had the bubble top (from the Typhoon) canopy and top speeds of 470 miles p.h.! Also by the end of the war the gas tanks size was increased giving it extended range beyond the previous that allowed it to nearly match the P-51.

Not the sports car like the P-51 was but a very reliable and rugged plane. Relegated more frequently to ground attack by the end of the war some P-51 pilots even switched back to the P-47 due to it's sturdiness and reliability.

Variants included models that had an in line engine but that never took hold and the few following models still retained the radial piston engine. (Besides the piston engines sounded great!)

Certainly one that should be considered in the top fighters of WW-II.

118 posted on 04/09/2009 3:52:47 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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To: mikeus_maximus

119 posted on 04/09/2009 3:53:04 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: mikeus_maximus
The P-47 Thunderbolt (Jug) was an absolutely indestructible fighter. Not the fastest but very tough aircraft.

Later variants had the bubble top (from the Typhoon) canopy and top speeds of 470 miles p.h.! Also by the end of the war the gas tanks size was increased giving it extended range beyond the previous that allowed it to nearly match the P-51.

Not the sports car the P-51 was but a very reliable and rugged plane. Relegated more frequently to ground attack by the end of the war a few P-51 pilots even switched back to the P-47 due to it's sturdiness and reliability.

Variants included models that had an in line engine but that never took hold and the few following models still retained the radial piston engine. (Besides the piston engines sounded great!)

Certainly a fighter that should be considered in the top fighters of WW-II.

120 posted on 04/09/2009 3:55:54 PM PDT by JSteff (It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.)
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