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If that's the criterion then The Masters is indeed a major. The public interest in the tournament (yours excepted) and the demand for tickets to get into the Augusta National is quite extraordinary. I doubt if there is a tournament anywhere which holds the public interest and has quite the same aura as the back nine at Augusta on Sunday and that includes the US and British Opens. Ben Crenshaw once said that you don't hear crowd noises like you hear on Sunday at Augusta, anywhere else in golf.

I would certainly put the TPC up against the NEGBJI in terms of crowd noise. And there is plenty of public interest and they don't artificially restrict tickets to make them appear harder to get than they should ala the old cranks of the NEGBJI.

And I am hardly the only person who thinks the NEGBJI played year in and year out on a course that favors certain types of golfer is a true test. Look up what Lee Trevino about it some time? Of course most golfer will never say anything because the NEGJBI cranks are tend toward fascism and the cranks might find some way to keep them out.

Amen Corner plus holes 15 and 16 are not only some of the most beautiful in golf they are also some of the most difficult and a true test of champions.

Actually no, 16, 17 and 18 at the TPC at Sawgrass include the single most well known hole in the world, a great par 5 and an even great par 4. They are among the most beautiful and testing finishing holes in golf. Your extended so called "amen corner" includes at least one short par five.

You undermine your case when you say that the players' opinions are irrelevant. Tell that to Jack and Arnie and Tiger. Players' interest in and opinions of a tournament don't determine whether it's a major but they reflect the public's opinion about that tournament and the esteem in which it's held. Winning a Green Jacket is held in mighty high esteem among the players for that very reason.

Sure those who have won the NEGBJI have an incentive to pretend it is a major. That is why majors are not determined by players. Majors are the championship of something.

Majors are the championship of something.

The Masters is actually the Championship of Champions. The top 50 players in the world. The winners plus top finishers in the other majors. The winners of PGA tournaments. Plus the top amateurs.

would certainly put the TPC up against the NEGBJI in terms of crowd noise. And there is plenty of public interest and they don't artificially restrict tickets to make them appear harder to get than they should ala the old cranks of the NEGBJI.

LOL......if the Augusta National didn't "artificially restrict tickets", the Masters would be a zoo. How many would you like them to print? One hundred thousand? They'd all go in an instant, trust me. The demand is that intense. The course is packed with the number of tickets which they currently print. It's not to make them appear harder to get.

And I am hardly the only person who thinks the NEGBJI played year in and year out on a course that favors certain types of golfer is a true test. Look up what Lee Trevino about it some time? Of course most golfer will never say anything because the NEGJBI cranks are tend toward fascism and the cranks might find some way to keep them out.

I think we get your real objection to the Masters. You don't like the old boys who run it. Fair enough. They're not not everybody's cup of tea. As for Trevino, did he ever win the Masters? That would be "no". If you're going to spin the line that those who have won a Green Jacket have an incentive to pretend it's a major, I can equally spin the line that those who never could will have something against it.

Sure those who have won the NEGBJI have an incentive to pretend it is a major. That is why majors are not determined by players.

Right......Jack and Arnie and Tiger are just "pretending". They have an "incentive".

Pure codswallop.