Posted on 03/31/2009 7:46:16 AM PDT by george76
Relocation programs have been fairly successful.”
May I ask you for the references for the above statement?
Please be specific enough that I can look them up.
I asked because as far as I can determine, the only “successes” of ‘relocation programs’ has been a bumper crop of AgencyPersons on taxpayers financial backs.
could this be the same one that menaced Jack Bauer’s daughter Kim in season 2? I seem to recall cheering at the tv “GO Mountain Lion!”.
well your not the first one to enlighten me on this.
Good luck
Kitty sees cotton candy with a crunchy center.
;-)LOL
Things are good here, Yank, hope all’s going well with you.
I would like to trade my Guv (Gregoire) for yours though, I believe Sarah Palin could do wonders with all the moonbats we’ve got here. :-)
Alaska has its share of moonbats too!
Such cats do stalk Colorado streets.
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And the streets of Bossier City,Louisiana,,,
A few months back one was found in a tree IN TOWN!
Centeral Park area one morning,,,
they tried the “dart” but when he hit the ground he tried
to charge the LEO’s,,,
2 riot-guns and 2 M-16’s,,,50-60 rounds,,,No Mo Kitty.
Here’s the kicker : A little over 2 years ago,,,2 blocks
away,,,a Black Bear did the same thing!!!
She was “darted” and arrested...;0)
Not true any more. There are cougars in Wisconsin. The DNR has confirmed it and they don't believe they are escapees from a game farm. I know a farmer and experienced hunter in western Wisconsin who was sure from sightings and tracks that there were cougars in Vernon County about 15 years ago. They have spread east and south since then.
A cougar was killed in North Chicago, Illinois last year as well.
Yep. Neighbor stopped in here around 11:30 one morning several months back to report that he had just watched one moving through my side yard, and “thought I ought to know about it.” He’d had his binoculars out, said it was a young one, but “...definitely NOT a bobcat, sorry.”
The people of Boulder should assume that they live with mountain lions and bears, regardless of whether they can see them or not, and act accordingly.
Right after I moved to Colorado, I took my cat to the vet, and he inquired as to whether the kitty was an outdoor cat or an indoor cat. "Indoor", I said.
He told me that that was good, since, living near a large park (I was living in the middle of a city, mind you), he sees instances of mountain lions, coyotes and bears taking cats and small dogs from that area of the city frequently. He told me to watch the "lost" signs in the early spring and fall, and I'd see what he meant.
Sure enough, every spring and fall, you'll see more lost pet signs than you can shake a stick at, especially in areas near the foothills and near parks.
Leave your pet outside, allow your pet to roam near wooded areas or in the foothills, feed your pet outside, or fail to secure your trash cans, and you almost certainly will eventually have a problem.
It isn't the lion's fault for being a lion.
Early one morning driving in Seattle I saw a coyote scoot across the 4-lane road with a large black and white cat in its mouth. I had to laugh (sorry cat owners, of which I am one) on how that cat probably thought it was the biggest, meanest hunter around preying on the mice and birds in the neighborhood, until.....
Oh, my goodness!
There have been several coyote attacks in Colorado in recent months, which is sort of scary. The coyotes have become brazen, which is somewhat unusual. There have even been attacks on humans in towns.
When I lived in California, once in a while, people would be walking up through the canyons in Los Angeles with their dog, the dog would get ahead or behind a few dozen yards, and that would be all she wrote.
The dog would either never be seen alive again or would never be see again, period.
Sharpshooters kill 5 coyotes in Broomfield (^)
There is no doubt that the lion was just being the lion. There is no “blame” involved.
But the reality is that this lion has lost his natural fear of humans. He is now a danger to humans. Not the lion’s fault. Not mankind’s fault. These things happen, again, no “blame” involved.
But reality being what it is, the odds are greatly increased that this lion will eventually attack a human, whether it is a child, an elderly person, or a smaller female.
It still won’t be the lion’s “fault”, because the lion is just being a lion.
But human’s being human, we can see this possibility and we value a human life more than a mountain lion’s life. That is why the cat must be put down. He is now a danger to some human.
You say that this particular lion must have "lost" his fear, as if fear of humans was something they have to start with. They may avoid humans, but they are not afraid of us naturally. The rules for meeting a mountain lion in the wild is different from meeting most other animals.
There isn't a "this" lion or "that" lion in the wild. They all see us as prey and short of eradicating them, our best bet is to avoid them at all costs:
IF YOU MEET A MOUNTAIN LION
Stay calm if you come upon a lion. Talk calmly yet firmly to it. Move slowly. Stop or back away slowly. Do not run. Raise you arms to appear larger. If the lion behaves aggressively, throw stones, branches, or whatever you can get your hands on. Without crouching down or turning your back. Fight back if a lion attacks you. Lions have been driven away by prey that fights back.
Mountain Lion, Colorado Division of Wildlife (^)
Here is the DOW's advice on bears (^). Notice that it talks about the bears being "food conditioned" to look to us for meals, and how it is safe to stand still, allow the bear to determine what you are, and leave. In contrast to the advice on lions, it says that bears are very rarely aggressive. Bears do not see us as prey unless we teach them to do so by feeding or interacting with them.
Mountain Lions automatically look at humans as though they might be a meal. They don't "lose" fear, as you seem to think. They don't have it to start with.
Mountain lions see us as prey to be eaten, not superior beings to be afraid of. I know someone whose husband was stalked by a lion just last year while fishing. The lion circled him several times before he was finally able to get away. All lions see us as prey, not just the "bad" ones, whatever those are.
I disagree that it isn't anyone's "fault". Humans can reason that they are in mountain lion country and take precautions. They may not want to, of course. Failing to do so won't bring them or their pets back when the lion mauls them, though. If you value human life, stay away from mountain lions and know when and where to avoid attracting them.
But human’s being human, we can see this possibility and we value a human life more than a mountain lion’s life. That is why the cat must be put down. He is now a danger to some human.
He was always a danger to all humans. He's a predator. It's his job. If you value human and other life, stay away from mountain lions and learn not to attract them. It really is that simple. It will save your life, that of your pets, and possibly that of a lion. Avoid enticing them to approach you. Avoid looking like prey.
If you find yourself in their path, know everything you need to know to save yourself, including that you may have to kill it. Carry a sidearm in mountain lion country.
Unless you live in Boulder. Of course, that's a different discussion altogether.
I noticed that your post #54 seems to have quite a number of faulty premises, etc. With all due respect, I shall attempt to deal with some of these errors or omissions.
But the reality is that this lion has lost his natural fear of humans. He is now a danger to humans. Not the lion’s fault. Not mankind’s fault. These things happen, again, no “blame” involved.
You say that this particular lion must have “lost” his fear, as if fear of humans was something they have to start with.
#1 Moma Lion teaches the offspring what is food and what is danger.
ESA, and the animal rights whacko crowd outlawed the citizen’s Constitutional Guarantee to self protection, thus guaranteeing predators whose Mama’s didn’t teach them man was the top predator.
They may avoid humans, but they are not afraid of us naturally.
#2 Only gunpowder and the Second Amendment changed the “nature” of predatory beasts. As Julian Pederhans said, for most of history, man was a slow moving source of protein for predators.
However, “When gunpowder speaks, beasts obey”.
The rules for meeting a mountain lion in the wild is different from meeting most other animals.
#3 Gotta call Bravo Sierra on this one. Predators are basically the same, and the “Big Stag” is quite dangerous, too.
There isn’t a “this” lion or “that” lion in the wild. They all see us as prey and short of eradicating them, our best bet is to avoid them at all costs:
IF YOU MEET A MOUNTAIN LION
Stay calm if you come upon a lion. Talk calmly yet firmly to it. Move slowly. Stop or back away slowly. Do not run. Raise you arms to appear larger. If the lion behaves aggressively, throw stones, branches, or whatever you can get your hands on. Without crouching down or turning your back. Fight back if a lion attacks you. Lions have been driven away by prey that fights back.
Mountain Lion, Colorado Division of Wildlife (^)
#4 SHeer Bravo Sierra! Deep, too.
Here is the DOW’s advice on bears (^). Notice that it talks about the bears being “food conditioned” to look to us for meals, and how it is safe to stand still, allow the bear to determine what you are, and leave. In contrast to the advice on lions, it says that bears are very rarely aggressive. Bears do not see us as prey unless we teach them to do so by feeding or interacting with them.
Mountain Lions automatically look at humans as though they might be a meal. They don’t “lose” fear, as you seem to think. They don’t have it to start with.
Mountain lions see us as prey to be eaten, not superior beings to be afraid of. I know someone whose husband was stalked by a lion just last year while fishing. The lion circled him several times before he was finally able to get away. All lions see us as prey, not just the “bad” ones, whatever those are.
#5 Getting a bit anthropomorphic, aren’t you? Beasts can hardly be seen as good, bad, or evil. Those words apply to humans, not beasts of the field.
I disagree that it isn’t anyone’s “fault”. Humans can reason that they are in mountain lion country and take precautions. They may not want to, of course. Failing to do so won’t bring them or their pets back when the lion mauls them, though. If you value human life, stay away from mountain lions and know when and where to avoid attracting them.
#6 Are you aware that your above thoughts consist of blaming the victim?
Why not simply remove the ESA and related regulations and allow the citizen their Unalienable Right to self protection?
Having been on Sierra Club’s FLEXCOM, I can assure you that the real reason for enviro regs is the socializing of Amnrica. “Critical habitat” for “endangered species” is a stalking horse/Trojan horse for socializing American private lands.
But human’s being human, we can see this possibility and we value a human life more than a mountain lion’s life. That is why the cat must be put down. He is now a danger to some human.
He was always a danger to all humans. He’s a predator. It’s his job.
7. More anthropomorphism, perhaps a habit of yours? Do read Paul Beier’s paper on cougar attacks over a 100 year period. For 80 of those 100 years, such attacks were exceeding rare. But “nearly every man and boy carried a rifle” Milton Skinner, 1924, The Yellowstone Park Nature Book, p. 109
If you value human and other life, stay away from mountain lions and learn not to attract them. It really is that simple.
#8 What you propose is submission to the use of predators to drive people off the lands of America. Are you aware of the Communist Party USA and environmental movement agreement on this issue?
PS Cougars prefer to prey on domestic animals, so they will come right into town. Boulder is an example. Check the Internet for the multitude of other areas with urban cougar problems.
Nothing but gunpowder can cure bad Kitty behavior.
It will save your life, that of your pets, and possibly that of a lion. Avoid enticing them to approach you. Avoid looking like prey.
If you find yourself in their path, know everything you need to know to save yourself, including that you may have to kill it.
Carry a sidearm in mountain lion country.
#9 A WINNER! You finally got one right, and it was a major point.
Given that we agree that one must be armed with a sidearm (or more) when in mountain lion country, and given that mountain lions are possible in most states, and in suburban and even urban areas, would you also agree that Americans must insist that their Constitutional right to be “at all times armed” as Thomas Jefferson wrote ?
Unless you live in Boulder. Of course, that’s a different discussion altogether.
#10 Another correct one - Boulder Colorado, is the source of, and the best example of, Boulder Dementia Syndrome (BDS).
Only gunpowder, applied whenever a human sees fit, will bring back the cowering cats which were the well recorded norm for most of American history.
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