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To: IYAS9YAS
IYAS9YAS wrote: I think the questions here are suspect. Regarding question 3: A bushel is a measure of volume, not weight, and each product (wheat, corn, etc...) has a different weight per bushel.

This is just one example of many weak attempts to debunk the test.

I didn't know what exactly a bushel was when I saw the test, so I googled it. The first link was the Wikipedia entry which told me clearly, near the top of the page, that a bushel of wheat weighs 60 lbs, using standard commodity trading measures. (Although it is a unit of volume, bushels of commodities are regularly treated as units of weight with set conditions for each commodity, e.g. 13.5% moisture by weight for wheat.) It took me less than 2 minutes to find this information, which let me answer the question. This question is a simple word problem, not out of line for today's 8th graders, provided only that they know or are given a conversion factor for wheat. For the children of farmers, it's neither shocking nor difficult.

The amazing thing is how wedded some commenters are to the idea of ignorance, not just their own ignorance but that of others. Consider that IYAS9YAS couldn't solve this simple word problem with access to google, so he assumed others were incompetent. I don't believe IYAS9YAS is truly that ignorant, given proper motivation. Rather he has an emotional issue that has a practical result of leaving him willfully ignorant and needing to believe others are as well.

Other attempts to debunk the test are just as weak, and, as with the attempt to debunk the bushel question, tell more about the would be debunkers than about 8th graders in 1895 Kansas. Note that the most cited link "debunking" the test clearly states that there is no reason to doubt the authenticity of the test. The "debunking" site merely claims the clearly existing test, clearly published in 1895, and clearly stated as a graduation test, might really be something else, like a test for teachers. The entire evidence given for this is the word "applicant" in the newspaper article, which might possibly not mean applicant for a diploma. Honestly, the argument is childish.

Note that the pendulum has swung back towards academics since I was a child, at least for early grade levels. My grandson is in kindergarten, where he reads (simple) books to me and writes in complete sentences. This is the norm for his class of 20 students in a public school in a state where kindergarten is mandatory. When I was in kindergarten, we only learned our ABC's. At the current learning rate, my grandson will be past the level shown on that 1895 test by 8th grade.

That test isn't so amazing. What's amazing is the period of ignorance and incompetence in public schools that became accepted in the late 20th century US. Hopefully, that period is just an interlude that will end soon.

61 posted on 04/03/2009 12:36:18 PM PDT by lewisw
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To: lewisw
Consider that IYAS9YAS couldn't solve this simple word problem with access to google, so he assumed others were incompetent.

It's quite a stretch to go from my positing that the test questions are supect to saying that I was calling someone incompetent.

If you'd bothered to read further down the thread, you'd see my mea culpas - there were a couple.

My response was certainly not made from emotion.

It was, however, made from a lack of further investigation on my part. I used google, but not wiki - I knew that a bushel, by itself, was a volume measurement. So, instead of simply looking up bushel, I looked for volume equivalents of a bushel. I got what I searched for - conversions. My search method, and memory (from my days on the farm in my youth) were imperfect.

Were I emotionally tied to this issue, I would have either lashed out at those who tried to correct me, or simply left the thread in shame. As it was, I took the responses to my ignorance and learned from them. I also expressed my remorse over forgetting where I came from.

62 posted on 04/03/2009 1:52:43 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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