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I thought it would be an interesting discussion of the Panama Canal claiming the Americans succeeded where the French failed but then it degenerated into more white racism as the author bemoans the fact that white Americans got the best jobs. All of history must be looked through the revolutionary glasses of race. What a tiring waste this discourse has become.
1 posted on 03/29/2009 8:33:49 AM PDT by Titus-Maximus
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I remember one main selling point on giving it back. That General running Panama (Torrejos?) kept threatening guerrilla and sabotage actions against the canal unless we caved in and simply gave it over to them.


2 posted on 03/29/2009 8:41:03 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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And coming just a few years after Vietnam, they wouldnt dare stand up to him for making such a threat.


3 posted on 03/29/2009 8:42:03 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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All of history must be looked through the revolutionary glasses of race.

Well of course success and ability is racist. Just look at what the blue-eyed devils have accomplished so successfully all over the world. It’s just gotta be racist to consistently perform that well.

4 posted on 03/29/2009 8:42:05 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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What a tiring waste this discourse has become.

And when the Slimes files for Chapter 11 - they will still have no idea why they lost their business.

5 posted on 03/29/2009 8:42:58 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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The “White Racist” meme is popping up more and more.

There is a Black President, Attorney General and Supreme Court Justice. Blacks own businesses, some are billionaires, others are judges.

If the left can’t flog the race issue, it dies. And frankly, even the leftys I deal with have declared war over. They don’t want to hear anymore.

Flogging Whitey is a huge mistake in their arsenal.


6 posted on 03/29/2009 8:46:25 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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Didn’t Jimmy Carter give away our canal?


7 posted on 03/29/2009 8:50:14 AM PDT by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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FWIW, America at the time the canal was built was a proudly racist nation. It was probably about the highpoint of racist ideology in this country. Policies at the canal were handled accordingly.


8 posted on 03/29/2009 8:50:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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I spent three years in Panama in the mid-80s. You could write a 3,000 page book on Panama and its vast soap opera (I don’t even refer to it as history).

The French-US angle? The French tried to make this simple and just DIG...with no locks. The Americans looked over the whole thing and figured three huge locks....making one of the largest largest man-made lakes in the world....and putting in a hydro-electric plant to boot. The American version worked.

Corruption? Frankly, Panama cannot exist in any form...without corruption...even today. I had to pay an extra $20, on top of the normal $15 inspection fee...to have my car ‘passed’ (it was brand-new).

My German wife upon arriving there....needed a license. I went downtown and chatted with the guy in charge...and he merely winked while asking if my wife knew how to drive, and I said yes (she didn’t)....and passed a $20...ten minutes later, she had her first license....no test required of a person who had never driven in her life.

The dozen or so canal engineers that I came to know over my period there....all American guys in the forties and fifies....were mostly alcoholics who would consume a case of beer between six AM to six PM....we won’t even count what they consumed after the sun went down.

Every single Panamanian political figure had this idea that the canal generated profit...vast profit. The Canal Commission kept the channel fee down between $30k and $60k for most vessels (at that point in time). All of the money that came in....barely paid daily operations. Any updating of anything...came out of the US federal budget (something that Panamanians couldn’t understand). To make any profit at all...you’d have to raise the channel fee by three to four times...which was questionable if freighters would pay that much.


9 posted on 03/29/2009 8:55:50 AM PDT by pepsionice
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As long as whites continue to roll over (or bend over) for this tripe and then vote for incompetent and dangerous blacks, racist authors will keep ginning up the “issue.”


10 posted on 03/29/2009 8:57:24 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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I’m just now watching a DVR’d History Channel show on the ALCAN highway.

Made a big deal of Roosevelt sending 4000 black engineers up there against the wishes of the Military command there. They had to promise to keep them away from the towns and villages. The 3-Star Gen Buckner(sp?), a southerner, (Democrat?) was afraid they would mingle with the locals and “create the worst looking race in the history of the world”


11 posted on 03/29/2009 9:00:39 AM PDT by digger48
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We whites are so evil don’t you know. Why no mention of no slavery involved in the building of the canal ?


12 posted on 03/29/2009 9:06:55 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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Given that until 1903 Panama was part of Colombia, we gave it “back” to the wrong junta. We should have given Panama, canal and all, “back” to Colombia.

Panama succeeded from Colombia after being egged on by the U.S. with promises of prosperity brought about with a canal, promises the U.S. richly kept. The Panamanians would never have welcomed reincorporation into Colombia.

13 posted on 03/29/2009 9:09:50 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The death cult wants death, the Israelis want peace. I, for one, see only one solution.)
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Alot of white men died building that canal...


14 posted on 03/29/2009 9:11:53 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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http://www.history.umd.edu/Bio/greene.html

Julie Greene specializes in United States labor and working-class history. Her research and teaching interests span across immigration and political history, the history of empire, and transnational approaches to the history of the Americas. Greene recently completed The Canal Builders: Making America’s Empire at the Panama Canal (Penguin Press, 2009). Recent articles include “Spaniards on the Silver Roll: Liminality and Labor Troubles in the Panama Canal Zone, 1904-1914,” in International Labor and Working-Class History (Fall 2004) and “The Labor of Empire: Recent Scholarship on U.S. History and Imperialism,” in Labor: Studies in Working-Class History of the Americas (Summer 2004). She is also author of Pure and Simple Politics: The American Federation of Labor and Political Activism, 1881-1917 (Cambridge, 1998), and co-editor, with Eric Arnesen and Bruce Laurie, of Labor Histories: Class, Politics, and the Diversity of the Working-Class Experience (Illinois, 1998).

Professor Greene has received fellowships from the National Endowment for the Humanities and the American Council of Learned Societies, among others. She was founding Reviews Editor in 2004 of Labor: Studies in Working-Class History of the Americas, and continues to serve as an editor of the journal. Labor received the Council of Editors of Learned Journals Award for Best New Journal in 2005. Greene was founding Co-Chair of the Labor and Working-Class History Association in 1997-1999, and has worked in numerous ways with the organization since that time. She has also been active with the Society for Historians of the Gilded Age and Progressive Era (serving currently on the editorial board of its journal) and with the Organization of American Historians.


15 posted on 03/29/2009 9:13:42 AM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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“then it degenerated into more white racism as the author bemoans the fact that white Americans got the best jobs. All of history must be looked through the revolutionary glasses of race. What a tiring waste this discourse has become.”

You are correct.

I would like to write another book calling her a liar.

I especially liked the part of “prime living quarters.” All of us lived in the old French quarters (the housing the French had built) for years which were dumps. Nobody told us they were “prime.” It must have been a secret.

“White Americans received six weeks of vacation each year.”

Not researched by author:

1. American Panama Canal workers, no matter their color, got 8 weeks and not 6.

Why? It was an incentive to get Americans here. The extra weeks were included so folks could return home to the states and visit their relatives. Travel then was by ship.

Later on, vacations were cut back to please the whiners, like this woman, who write books from afar and think they know it all. But that was okay. We still preferred to live in the Canal Zone than any other place in the world.

The running joke concerning our congresscrooks when they would come here to visit (vacation) was after 3 days they were experts on the Panama Canal, and if they stayed 4 day, they would go home and write a book.

2. Non U.S. received 4 weeks vacation a year.

(Sorry folks, I would love to stay, but I need to get ready for lunch with my brother and sister-in-law. I will return in a couple of hours.)


16 posted on 03/29/2009 9:28:24 AM PDT by GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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Liberals see race in everything and racism is under every rock. Its so destructive.


19 posted on 03/29/2009 10:35:20 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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