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Windows Geeks Warm to Macs
CIO Magazine ^ | March 26, 2009 | By Tom Kaneshige

Posted on 03/27/2009 9:20:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 03/27/2009 9:20:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; Aliska; aristotleman; ...
Windows Geeks coding on Macs? PING!


Mac Switchers Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 03/27/2009 9:22:00 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: ShadowAce

ping


3 posted on 03/27/2009 9:22:50 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Swordmaker
I am not sure I am getting this. People are buying Mac Hardware and running Windows on it because the hardware is more reliable and it is getting around Windows support costs?

How can that be? Software updates are still required and hardware updates are really non-existent.

If this is a hardware pitch only, what about the fact that an Apple is 50-100% more than the equivalent Dell machine, which from what I understand is a pretty reliable computer.
4 posted on 03/27/2009 9:44:52 PM PDT by microgood
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I am not sure I am getting this. People are buying Mac Hardware and running Windows on it because the hardware is more reliable and it is getting around Windows support costs?

Nope... they are coding in the Mac environment and testing on a virtual Windows machine on the same Mac. In addition, replacing an infected or hosed Windows installation is as easy as replacing a single file with a clean backup... mere seconds.

If this is a hardware pitch only, what about the fact that an Apple is 50-100% more than the equivalent Dell machine, which from what I understand is a pretty reliable computer.

It isn't. If you truly compare equivalent machines, processor, graphjics, sound, bus speed, equipment, software, etc., the Mac is often competitive or even less expensive than the name brand PCs.

5 posted on 03/27/2009 9:58:17 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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6 posted on 03/27/2009 9:59:13 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: microgood

I use a computer I built myself and (free) Ubuntu.


7 posted on 03/27/2009 9:59:58 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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P.S.Mac hardware is no more reliable than my hardware.
You get what you pay for.


8 posted on 03/27/2009 10:02:40 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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I am not sure I am getting this. People are buying Mac Hardware and running Windows on it because the hardware is more reliable and it is getting around Windows support costs?

People are running their development environment in a virtual machine because it makes sense on a lot of levels; it's easier to stage and restage, to keep consistent across the network, and to run multiple VMs at the same time.

Once you've decided to use virtualization, the Mac has the same advantages it does for anything else: Ease of use, consistency of user interface, robust hardware and lower TCO.

9 posted on 03/27/2009 10:05:56 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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People are running their development environment in a virtual machine because it makes sense on a lot of levels; it's easier to stage and restage, to keep consistent across the network, and to run multiple VMs at the same time.

Oh, I think I get it. The are running the Mac OS and just running Windows in a VM instance?
10 posted on 03/27/2009 10:13:55 PM PDT by microgood
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“I use a computer I built myself and (free) Ubuntu.”

I am IT for our small company. I run our business websites and database (100,000 records) on a Fedora machine where the hardware cost $175. Mysql, Apache, Netbeans, PHP, Linux, Open Office, Gimp. Big savings and solid as a rock. Neener, Neener, Neener Microsoft.


11 posted on 03/27/2009 10:20:39 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Swordmaker
Nope... they are coding in the Mac environment and testing on a virtual Windows machine on the same Mac.

Sorry but another question. You can run Visual Studio on a Mac OS?
12 posted on 03/27/2009 10:22:50 PM PDT by microgood
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If this is a hardware pitch only, what about the fact that an Apple is 50-100% more than the equivalent Dell machine, which from what I understand is a pretty reliable computer.

Here is an example. (Better Specs in red):

Dell XPS1 20"
E4500 2.2GHz, 2MB L2 Cache, 800MHz bus, Intel® Core2Duo processor
2GB DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 2 DIMMs
250GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive 7200RPM.
8X Slot load CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium
Integrated Intel® UMA5 graphics - shared DDR2 memory
Widescreen 20" High Definition: WSXGA (1680x1050) resolution at 16.7 million colors, Integrated camera/mic, Viewing Angle up to 80 degrees
$799

Apple 20" iMac
E8200 2.66GHz , 6MB L2 Cache, 1066MHz bus, Intel® Core2Duo processor
2GB DDR3 SDRAM at 1066MHz
320GB Serial ATA 3Gb/s Hard Drive, 7200RPM.
8X Slot load CD/DVD Double Layer SuperDrive (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
Apple OS X.5 Leopard full feature.
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M with 256MB of shared DDR3 memory
Widescreen 20" High Definition: WSXGA (1680x1050) resolution at 16.7 million colors, Integrated camera/mic, Viewing Angle up to 160 degrees
$1199

13 posted on 03/27/2009 10:43:45 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: microgood
Sorry but another question. You can run Visual Studio on a Mac OS?

That you would have to run in a Virtual Machine... however, it could be transparent to the OS if you ran Parallels or VMWare's Fusion.

14 posted on 03/27/2009 10:48:19 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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That you would have to run in a Virtual Machine... however, it could be transparent to the OS if you ran Parallels or VMWare's Fusion.

Got it. Thanks for the information.
15 posted on 03/27/2009 11:05:10 PM PDT by microgood
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“...geeks...techies”...going from Windows to Apple? ROFL!

Someday, most of the machines connected to the Internet will go down just before an attack from a foreign enemy. After that exchange, the average IQ of Internet users will skyrocket.


16 posted on 03/27/2009 11:17:40 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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(raising hand)

Guilty.


17 posted on 03/27/2009 11:18:08 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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We are now using Macs at home to connect to our office via a Citrix server. It works noticeably faster and with better stability than running the app natively on the XP boxes in the office. I will never own another Windows computer as long as I live.


18 posted on 03/27/2009 11:23:09 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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if your windows software development team is unable to keep their machines from getting infected with viruses...

maybe it’s time to find a new dev team, not buy new macs


19 posted on 03/28/2009 12:43:27 AM PDT by sten
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To: FastCoyote

I’m with you. We run Red Hat at work, with full support, mostly open-source tools. Our CM, source control, and Intel C++ compiler are licensed. At home I use Ubuntu. I’ve been a personal MS free zone for about 4 years now. Wife and oldest child just switched to MacBooks rather than go to Vista. I’m writing this on the newest computer in the house - an Asus netbook running a variant of Linux. MS - just some software that used to frustrate me. :-)


20 posted on 03/28/2009 2:12:47 AM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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