Posted on 03/22/2009 12:23:13 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
I wasn't certain where this should be posted....Religion or General Chat. It is a combination of both. Many will often laugh at UFO reports and I wonder if they realize there are references to them in the Bible. In one of the many UFO reports, this one on January 10, 2008, it was noted that the “ship” was bright and amber colored. The Bible also mentions an "amber colored vehicle."
Ezekiel 1:4 And I looked, and, behold a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.
1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, and I saw as it were the appearance of fire and it had brightness round about.
Amber ~ Strong's Concordance #2830 ~ chashmal; of uncert. der; prob. bronze or polished spectrum metal: amber
11 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
2:12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, "My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and the horsemen thereof." And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.
That was the same whirlwind as in Ezekiel....the Chariot of Israel. A spinning, circular disk. Real horses don't fly!
11 Kings 6:15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, "Alas, my master! How shall we do?" (16) And he answered, "Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them." (17) And Elisha prayed, and said, "Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see." And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
God's Christian soldiers. They can't be seen unless God opens our eyes. We don't know when they are present but they are here when needed. The Holy Spirit is with us and we often have help....how many times have you wondered, "how did I miss hitting that car," or "gosh that was a close call."
Ezekiel 30:9 In that day shall messengers go forth from Me in ships to make the careless Ethiopians afraid, and great pain shall come upon them, as in the day of Egypt: for, lo it cometh.'
Angels are called messengers....so, God's messengers/angels go from from Him in ships. What kind of ships? Are they the bright, amber colored (as a bronze or polished metal) ship? Are they the "swift beasts" that move in a circular fashion? He tells us that it will happen in "that day." That is the Day of The Lord.
Zechariah 1:8-11 tells us of the angels that the Lord sent. How did they get there? Four horsemen, angels, were sent to check on the four dominions of earth and they told the Angel of God that earth was at peace....meaning, the four hidden dynasties are at peace and doing very, very well. (Politics, Finance, Education and Religion all under the control of Satan) What transportation did the angels have - the disks!
Zechariah 6:1-7 tells us that these chariots and horses walk "to and fro" through the earth. They will do this too at the very last hour. We will see them and know....for the enemy has the same chariots and....they are coming.
Revelation 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
Horses ~ Let's look in Joel 2 for similar creatures which are impossible to wound or kill.
Joel 2:4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. (5) Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array. (7) They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march everyone on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks: (8) Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded. This mighty army will have supernatural soldiers.
Isaiah 66:15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire.
66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to My holy mountain Jerusalem," saith the Lord, "as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
Swift Beasts ~ Swift beasts is Hebrew (kirkaroth) from kdrar, to move in a circle; hence, may mean (like English car) any vehicle on wheels. It is never used of animals. - E.W. Bullinger
Isaiah 30:6 The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from which come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery flying serpent, they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.
A "viper and fiery flying serpent." What could that be?
Isaiah 31:5 As birds flying, so will the Lord of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also He will deliver it; and passing over He will preserve it."
Isaiah 60:8 Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?
Psalms 104:3 Who layeth the beams of His chambers in the waters: Who maketh the clouds His chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind.
Habakkuk 1:8 Their horses also are swifter than the leopards, and are more fierce than the evening wolves: and their horsemen shall spread themselves, and their horsemen shall come from far; they shall fly as the eagle that hasteth to eat.
Horses aren't fierce as wolves and....they don't fly!
Nahum 2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men are in scarlet: the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
2:4.The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.
Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold, a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
This is Satan coming first pretending to be Christ and the world will believe him. After his hour of tribulation....then comes our Saviour:
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and He That sat upon him was called Faithful and true, and in righteousness He doth judge and make war.
19:14. And the armies which were in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him; and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Baalzebub ~ Lord of flies. Later Jews polluted it by changing it to Beel-zebul (Lord of dung or dunghills). E.W. Bullinger
#1176 Baalzebub ~ from 1168 & 2070. Baal of (the) Fly: Baal-Zebub, a special deity of the Ekronites: - Baal-zebub.
#2070 Zeboob ~ from an unused root (mean to flit); a fly (especially one of a stinging nature): - fly
Flit ~ To fly lightly and rapidly; flutter: as, birds flit about in the trees...to move to other quarters, especially by stealth...to be changing or evanescent...a flitting; light, rapid movement ~ Some definitions taken from Websters
Baalhazor, "Lord of the fortresses" provides a connection between Baal and the god of the antichrist. Baal was lord of war and of the sky. Many titles were given to Baal by adding endings to his name. Some examples found in scripture are Baalbamoth = Lord of the high places, Baalzebub = Lord of those who fly, or, flit. Zebub is a Hebrew verb which means to flit from place to place.
The craft are also referred to at times as "birds of the air."
I have attempted to compile all the scripture I could find that referenced "flying vehicles".....chariots, whirlwinds, clouds, horses, etc. As you can see He tells us a great deal about them. They have been here, they will be here again and....they are here now.
UFO’s are not talked about in the bible. Many ufologists would like to believe that the bible talks about ufo’s so they can continue and embrace there pagan paranormal gods.
If you read the 66 books of the bible you will clearly see the nature of Satan. He is known as a magician, an illusionist, powerful, an angel of light, roaming, a deceiver, a scripture twister. Satan has dominion over this earth.
UFO’s are creepy, no doubt that it’s on the dark side.
Here is the proof in this authentic video. This lady channels a alien (demon in disguise). They will give you some truth about ufo’s, but remember, the demons mix with truth with lies known as deception. GOD called himself the GREAT I AM. Notice the demon calls himself I AM and he says everybody is I AM which means GOD.
http://www.tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=d17a1fe3dcad7dabff3e
What say you?
Maybe I am just too tired to parse your sentences. In that case, I know you will forgive me.
But please...add a bit of clarity to those of us who try in vain.
“I constantly read the Bible and I read it with understanding. For one not to see what is clearly there is to be ignorant of what He tells us.”
LOL!
No one rational is seeing what you are seeing ... .
BTW, check the Greek and Hebrew.
Maybe that will help you.
“PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS BLINDNESS PLAGUE”
Actually, if I were blind I might be more prone to believe it, but since I can read it is obvious that references to flaming horses being UFOs is beyond wishful thinking, it is laughable.
But the medium seemed to me to be a fake.
Sorry for so much skepticism...but we are surrounded by fakes and need to avoid them!
Eh?
If your source is the Holy Spirit...I am sure you will tell us so!
If your source is Satan...please keep on speaking! We can hear you...but don't be annoyed if we don't follow or believe your dictat!
I don’t recall saying I agreed with all the OP’s ponts.
It remains true, however,
that in a number of translations . . .
Ezekiel’s chariot bears a very striking resemblance to some very standard UFO’s.
Where there is, in fact, such a correlation remains to be seen after this era is over.
Unless, of course, God decides to have some of HIS angels use such. I’m skeptical He will.
Seems to me all such critters these days are decidedly on satan’s side.
Well, it seems to me to be a huge craft of some kind. It would seem from the description that people are meant to be within it and it is not a traditional land form. The description of the 12 levels and each being of some precious stone always struck me as an entity that would be beautiful to behold, mobile and designed to transport and/or protect an enormous number of people.
UNITY
of Christians will not come by any organizational mandate; by any structural, political effort, project, manipulation, program, movement . . .
UNITY OF CHRISTIANS will only be
1. IN CHRIST’S BLOOD AS BLOOD BROTHERS !IN! HIS BLOOD BEFORE THE CROSS AS EQUALS
2. BY HOLY SPIRIT DOING A GREAT WORK IN HEARTS AND LIVES.
3. The latter, in my observation only tends to come about when individuals intensely desire such compliance with GOD AND GOD’S PRIORITIES IN A GROUP, IN A LOCALE, BETWEEN GROUPS—that they are willing to lay aside their denominational pettiness and even priority distinctives IN BEHALF OF GOD’S WORK OF UNITY OF PURPOSE IN THAT LOCALE FOR WHATEVER GOAL(S) GOD IS SEEKING TO ACHIEVE THERE AT THAT TIME.
4. I believe such will intensify as the END TIMES intensify and folks must depend no fellow believers regardless of the distinctives just to stay alive, encouraged, supported, healed, provisioned, safe etc.
Is that any better?
Sorry.
The fact remains nmh, that in Hebrew and in any translation, Ezekiel’s chariot bears a LOT of similarity to some standard model UFO’s.
What that means remains to be seen. It may mean nothing of any significance.
However, it is CONCEIVABLE that the angels that did not fall sometimes use such as well as the angels that did fall who seem to use such virtually all the time.
I personally don’t think God’s remaining 2/3rds of the angel armies NEED such craft to do God’s bidding. But I don’t REALLY have sufficient perspective to make such an assertion with any reliability.
I found it particularly fascinating that Jesse DuPlantis went to and from Heaven for 5 hours in some sort of tangible transportation module. His trip is the only one of an authentic Spirit-Filled believer I’ve ever read about that did that.
Mostly SCRIPTURE IS SILENT ON SUCH ISSUES. Arguing from silence is a hazardous undertaking.
Certainly the critters most known in our era ARE in cahoots with satan toward setting up the tyrannical global government prophesied for the END TIMES.
Conceivable.
ARe we talking about the HEAVENLY/NEW JERUSALEM?
About as big as the USA, IIRC.
some mobile craft, if so.
Thanks. :-)
“that in a number of translations . . .
Ezekiel’s chariot bears a very striking resemblance to some very standard UFO’s.”
What do the original Greek versions say? Translators tend to translate to fit what they know if the original description doesn’t match anything they are familiar with and they want to convey the thrust of what was written so current audiences can make sense of it. If God is responsible for what is written in the Bible why are the references so elusive only a few UFO believers can see the resemblance. A chariot does not look anything like a flying saucer.
Yes. I take from the description it is in a cubical form and would be about half the volume of the moon. If it landed, on one of its sides, it would crush the Middle East. I think its footprint would cover nearly half of Australia.
Could be a pyramid.
I read one speculation that it would hover above Jerusalem.
Conceivable, I suppose . . . with ladders to the 12 gates???
Seems a bit contrived somehow.
On the other hand . . . if all the seas are gone . . . should be lots of land.
Of course we don’t seem to begin to have all the sequences of things worked out accurately, imho.
The detailed description seems to be of a round craft . . . chariot being a term connoting a conveyance in their parlance of the time.
And, the Old Testament was written in HEBREW, not Greek.
I don’t know what the Septuagent sp. says. But the descriptions in the modern translations are essentially accurate and faithful translations.
Here’s The Amplified re Ezekiel’s narrative . . .
Ezekiel 1:5-25 (Amplified Bible)
5And out of the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures [or cherubim]. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man,
6But each one had four faces and each one had four wings.
7And their legs were straight legs, and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf’s foot, and they sparkled like burnished bronze.
8And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides. And the four of them had their faces and their wings thus:
9Their wings touched one another; they turned not when they went but went every one straight forward.
10As for the [a]likeness of their faces, they each had the face of a man [in front], and each had the face of a lion on the right side and the face of an ox on the left side; the four also had the face of an eagle [at the back of their heads].(A)
11Such were their faces. And their wings were stretched out upward [each creature had four wings]; two wings of each one were touching the [adjacent] wing of the creatures on either side of it, and [the remaining] two wings of each creature covered its body.
12And they went every one straight forward; wherever the spirit would go, they went, and they turned not when they went.
13In the midst of the living creatures there was what looked like burning coals of fire, like torches moving to and fro among the living creatures; the fire was bright and out of the fire went forth lightning.
14And the living creatures darted back and forth like a flash of lightning.
15Now as I was still looking at the living creatures, I saw one wheel upon the ground beside each of the living creatures with its four faces.
16As to the appearance of the wheels and their construction: in appearance they gleamed like chrysolite; and the four were formed alike, and their construction work was as it were a wheel within a wheel.
17When they went, they went in one of their four directions without turning [for they were faced that way].
18As for their rims, they were so high that they were dreadful, and the four had their rims full of eyes round about.
19And when the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
20Wherever the spirit went, the creatures went and the wheels rose along with them, for the spirit or life of the [four living creatures acting as one] living creature was in the wheels.
21When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up high beside them, for the spirit or life of the [combined] living creature was in the wheels.
22Over the head of the [combined] living creature there was the likeness of a firmament, looking like the terrible and awesome [dazzling of shining] crystal or ice stretched across the expanse of sky over their heads.
23And under the firmament their wings were stretched out straight, one toward another. Every living creature had two wings which covered its body on this side and two which covered it on that side.
24And when they went, I heard the sound of their wings like the noise of great waters, like the voice of the Almighty, the sound of tumult like the noise of a host. When they stood, they let down their wings.
25And there was a voice above the firmament that was over their heads; when they stood, they let down their wings.
Footnotes:
1. Ezekiel 1:10 It is noteworthy that the four faces of the living creatures as here described are symbolic of “the four portraits of Jesus” as given in the four Gospels. Matthew represents our Lord as the King (the lion), Mark portrays Him as the Servant (the ox), Luke emphasizes His humanity (man), and John proclaims especially His deity (the eagle).
Cross references:
1. Ezekiel 1:10 : Rev 4:7
Now I’m too tired to go over the OP. Maybe tomorrow
Sorry.
I would like to note, however, I don’t think we can assert that “REAL HORSES DON’T FLY.”
God’s horses can likely do whatever HE instructs them to do.
Once someone commented to me that the Ezekiel ship sounded very much like an Apache. I visualize it more as what we normally think UFO's look like.
Consider the following, which is speaking about the time of the tribulation when, "he that dasheth in pieces is come up before thy face, "the"he" being Satan...
Nahum 2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men are in scarlet: the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
2:4 The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.
2:13 "Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will burn her chariots in the smoke, and the sword shall devour thy young lions: and I will cut off thy prey from the earth, and the voice of thy messengers shall no more be heard.
That sounds like the "chariots" that are like lightning and have "torches" are a warship of types although I see all this fighting as being spiritual in nature. Satan will be deceiving us, spiritually killing our souls...except for the witnesses who will literally be killed. Satan's army arrives first...Our Father wants us to "keep the munition, watch thy way, make thy loins strong, fortify thy power mightily," [2:1] while that is going on and then....
Revelation 14:14 And I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and upon the cloud One sat like unto the Son of man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
We have to understand that Satan arrives first...pretending to be Christ which is the power he is given that will deceive many. Then the true Savior arrives and...wailing for those that didn't wait for Him.
Yup! I got it!:-)
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