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Southerners looking to share their Confederate holiday
Hartford Courant ^ | March 22, 2009 | Dahleen Glanton

Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway

ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.

With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.

(Excerpt) Read more at courant.com ...


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To: IrishCatholic

Did we really need the uncalled for personal attacks? An opposing point of view is all that was stated or did I miss something?


901 posted on 03/26/2009 10:43:26 AM PDT by Radio Free American? (When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.)
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To: puroresu
Hey, thanks for that nice list of Southern accomplishments!

Yeah. One would thing that all y'all would look to those accomplishments rather than losing a rebellion. But I'll never really understand the Southron mindset.

902 posted on 03/26/2009 10:45:08 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout

Do we want to be sent back to Africa?

I would go to Africa for a tourist or humanitarian visit, but not to stay.


903 posted on 03/26/2009 12:20:03 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: Rustabout
I however KNOW than General Forrest Said that the Slaves that served with him “no braver or better ever served” or something along them lines.

And before the rebellion? What was he saying about you then?

Now let's look at this slavery and war issue..Do we want to be sent back to Africa? Lincoln used us like “tools” or do we stay? Hmm tough choice!

Or stay and remain in slavery. Hmmm, even tougher choice I would think.

Lincoln's plan was completely voluntary, aiding those who wanted to emigrate to Africa. So what was so wrong with that? Robert Lee freed some of his slaves in the 1850's and paid passage to Liberia for them and their family. The alternative was for them to leave Virginia for some other state because under the laws in effect at that time, the Burkes had 12 months in which to leave the commonwealth or else be sold back into slavery. Once in Liberia, William Burke attended a local Presbyterian seminary and became an ordained minister. Had he remained in any Southern state he would not have been allowed to attend any school at all. He and his family prospered in Liberia and in 1858 was writing about how blessed he was to be in Africa rather than in the U.S.

What did freed blacks in the U.S. have to look forward to prior to the rebellion? Racism in the South wasn't a whole lot worse than racism present in the North. Thanks to the Dred Scott decision, blacks weren't citizens and couldn't ever be. They had no rights a white man was bound to respect. Most states, North and South, had laws designed to restrict their movement into the state. Most Southern states had laws limiting their professions and they couldn't vote except in a couple of Northern states. Popular opinion wasn't likely to change soon. So if Lincoln suggested that the U.S. should help those who wanted to carve out a life for themselves free of the oppression present in all parts of the U.S., then where exactly was that such an evil suggestion? Wasn't it John Milton who wrote it was better to rule in hell than serve in heaven?

I know I'm of the few but it's the truth

So you keep telling us.

904 posted on 03/26/2009 12:59:34 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
And when I find it, I tell it to say "Hey" to the boys down in Richmond. And then I flush.

Is it hard to eat with your tongue stuck under a Federal Boot?

905 posted on 03/26/2009 1:13:59 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va
Is it hard to eat with your tongue stuck under a Federal Boot?

Say "Hey" to the boys down in Richmond.

906 posted on 03/26/2009 1:16:09 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

I was a division officer to in the Navy too, thank God we were not on the same ship.


907 posted on 03/26/2009 1:21:19 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va
I was a division officer to in the Navy too, thank God we were not on the same ship.

I was in the U.S. Navy, not the confederate navy.

908 posted on 03/26/2009 1:26:28 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
A graphic example of "increased Federal Authority"


909 posted on 03/26/2009 1:27:03 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I was in the U.S. Navy, not the confederate navy.

Sounds like the old man on your ship was, LOL Thank God for him.....

910 posted on 03/26/2009 1:30:47 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Hey, I saw this on the web, is this your picture?


911 posted on 03/26/2009 1:34:02 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va
Sounds like the old man on your ship was, LOL Thank God for him.....

Other than the grits he was a decent skipper and a hell of a ship-handler. I learned a lot from him.

912 posted on 03/26/2009 1:34:37 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: puroresu
Thanks for the response. It's true that things have changed. If you go to Colonial Williamsburg they talk about "slaves" rather than servants, and they have a mock slave auction, too, I'm told. And in Washington, tour guides probably say that the Capitol was built by slaves.

But is that going to be the only thing they say? If they go on and on about slavery the whole experience gets boring fast. And there's so much else to show and to talk about.

They aren't going to turn Williamsburg or Washington into Auschwitz or Dachau. Would Charleston or New Orleans really want to become such a downer that it drives away the tourists?

People tend to like a pleasant view of the past. That's behind much of the heritage industry. It was certainly behind the Civil War Centennial of the 1960s. And that longing or hunger hasn't changed.

Look at how this "Black Confederates" thing has caught on. It's pretty much a lie, but even many African-Americans have taken it up. And that indicates that they may not want to view the past as one uninterrupted horror.

Of course things may go apocalyptic. That's a possibility, but not the only one. Demographics have a lot to do with it. If Texas becomes more Mexican, the message at the Alamo will change a lot. But without such a major population change people may just keep their heads about the past.

913 posted on 03/26/2009 1:53:20 PM PDT by x
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To: central_va
A graphic example of "increased Federal Authority"

You are aware, aren't you, that US forces didn't burn Charleston? That was done by confederates in their haste to evacuate the city. Same way they burned Richmond. Funny how much of the damage to the south that's blamed on the United States was actually done by rebels.

914 posted on 03/26/2009 2:06:07 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: x; Rustabout
It's pretty much a lie, but even many African-Americans have taken it up

X,

It's a lie because it doesn't fit your brainwashed view of the South's history. Do some research F Face before making a comment like that.

915 posted on 03/26/2009 2:06:44 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Swamp Angel. F-ing learn some history, you have been brainwashed.
916 posted on 03/26/2009 2:09:25 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va
Maybe it's you that has been brainwashed should learn some history. From the page you link to: "Little or no damage has been done and not a soul hurt."

Now, on the other hand, here's a report from another page of the same website you linked to:

It was during the last phases of the evacuation of the Confederate Army from Charleston, that a terrible tragedy befell the civilian population. Lt. Moses Lipscomb Wood, (see image at left) of Company F, the 15th South Carolina Volunteer Infantry regiment, “The Thicketty Rifles” reported in his “War Record“: “I was in Charleston on the night before and the morning it was evacuated, and was put in charge of a detail of about 75 men to load what cars [of the Northeastern Railroad] we could ahead of us. We had not been out of the depot long before the women and children rushed in to see what they could get. The depot was filled with powder and explosives and caught on fire and was blown up—causing the most pitiful sight I saw during the war. Women and children, about 250 , were killed and wounded, and some were carried out by where [we]were in line on the streets, with their clothing burned off and badly mutilated.”

A week later, The Fayetteville Telegraph stated that “an officer who arrived here direct from SC last night gives us some interesting items concerning the evacuation of Charleston. The evacuation took place on Friday night [February 17], and the city was occupied by about 500 Yankees who landed in small boats about 12 o’clock on Saturday. All the cotton (some 6,000 bales) and the shipping was destroyed, and the guns spiked by the military authorities. The city is now but little more than a heap of ruins. When the Yankees entered, nearly half of it [Charleston] was in ashes and a terrible fire was still raging. The fire originated in two ways. A quantity of damaged powder had been left at the depot of the Northeastern Railroad Company, among a number of other articles. A crowd of negroes and citizens of the lower class had assembled for the purpose of pillage. While there, a boy in sport fired a small quantity of loose powder, which, communicating with that in the boxes, ignited the whole, causing a terrible explosion, with considerable loss of life. The immense depot building was blown to atoms, and the fire spread rapidly to the adjoining houses. It burned with great rapidity, and extended as far up on King street as the Soldiers Home. About the same time a fire broke out in another portion of the city, caused by the burning of the Savannah bridge [over the Ashley River]. This fire was also very destructive, and the two combined extended from river to river. Numerous other fires also occurred in different parts of the city, said to have been the work of the citizens themselves. All this occurred before the occupation of the city by the Yankees


917 posted on 03/26/2009 3:24:06 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: brwnsuga

“Do we want to be sent back to Africa?”

That is not my point..

My point being that “these” Northerners ALWAYS blame the South for the evils of our Country!!

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander

Shall we talk about the “Black codes” up North?

Ship them South they would say!


918 posted on 03/26/2009 4:53:11 PM PDT by Rustabout
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To: Ditto
You must listen to Mike Lang.

Nah, my brother in law speaks some Alleghenian and I was pretty sure you'd get the reference. a couple of my favorite yinzer phrases are 'yard ape' and 'hoosafratz'.

919 posted on 03/26/2009 5:03:06 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Non-Sequitur,

“So you keep telling us”

Sir..My Ass is Black / But Y'all the slave!!

Y'all know that us Southern Folk that know better are LAUGHING at YOU ignorant Elitest Lincoln Cultist!!You blind fools have sold YOURSELF into Slavery and it doesn't even take a whipping to keep y'all in line~BOY

920 posted on 03/26/2009 5:08:15 PM PDT by Rustabout
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