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Southerners looking to share their Confederate holiday
Hartford Courant ^ | March 22, 2009 | Dahleen Glanton

Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway

ATLANTA — In a cultural war that has pitted Old South against new, defenders of the Confederate legacy have opened a fresh front in their campaign to polish an image tarnished, they said, by people who do not respect Southern values.

With the 150th anniversary of the War Between the States in 2011, efforts are under way in statehouses, small towns and counties across the South to push for proclamations or legislation promoting Confederate history.

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To: seoul62

Nine years younger?

you go gurl!


1,021 posted on 03/28/2009 11:16:16 AM PDT by wardaddy (America, Ship of Fools)
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To: central_va

You forgot question number 7: Is each and every one of these the fault of Abraham Lincoln? And you answer to that is no doubt ‘yes’.


1,022 posted on 03/28/2009 11:37:21 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Exaggerations are not. Tales like Lee advocated an end to slavery or myths like Jackson taught slaves to read are meant to change the perceptions on both men and divorce them from slavery. Nothing could be further from the truth.”

Folk’s have talked about freedom of choice many times on this thread..

Why don’t you choose to close that lying Yankee mouth of yours..You will be much happier and so will I


1,023 posted on 03/28/2009 3:24:50 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“’Creative literary works’ would pretty much sum up the Southron history of the rebellion.”

Much like how folk's like you won the War..Right?

We must wonder when round two comes are you going to “man up” and leave your Computer behind~ Come on Down to Dixie and Reconstruct us? I doubt it!

Jest like before y'all have them fresh off the boat immigrants fight your War

1,024 posted on 03/28/2009 3:34:39 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: Non-Sequitur
“Southron fanatics”

I recon you should give back your B-B-Q and stop watching Nascar since y'all hate the South so! By the way my Dishonest Abe Cultist Friend...

Has Kansas ever had a good Football team?

1,025 posted on 03/28/2009 3:47:47 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: central_va
“the person is within his/her rights to do so or
the person is guilty of sedition, not protected under the first and 10th amendment and has committed a crime.”

Heck he can't even Tell you how many bowls of ice cream he ate before supper!!

It should be very obvious to all Yankee Hypocracy..
They always support succession of Soviet States and everyone else until it involves US!!

McCain said “we are all GEORGIANIANS now”

1,026 posted on 03/28/2009 4:01:27 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: Rustabout

Well, to be fair, the Kansas City Chiefs did win Super Bowl IV against the Minnesota Vikings.


1,027 posted on 03/28/2009 4:28:41 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: Rustabout
They always support succession of Soviet States and everyone else until it involves US!!

Depends on the reason for secession.

As has been pointed out often in this thread, a lot can be said for the various reasons that members of the CSA military had for fighting. But given all the evidence on record (personal letters, writings, etc.), it's rather clear that the political leadership of the seceding states chose to do so for the sake of slavery as an institution.

A far cry from the Communist oppression of the USSR.

1,028 posted on 03/28/2009 4:31:32 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (To view the FR@Alabama ping list, click on my profile!)
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To: Rustabout
Has Kansas ever had a good Football team?

I think Kansas has more than made up for their football failures by their basketball successes.

1,029 posted on 03/28/2009 4:44:52 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

From the Baltimore Exchange, 23d ult. (i.e. April 23, 1861)
Interview between Messengers of Peace and Mr. Lincoln

The Baltimore Sun has the following in relation to the interview between the President and a committee of the “Young Men’s Christian Association of Baltimore,” it says:

We learn that a delegation from five of the Young Men’s Christian Associations of Baltimore, consisting of six members of each, yesterday proceeded to Washington for an interview with the President, the purpose being to intercede with him in behalf a peaceful policy, and to entreat him not to pass troops through Baltimore or Maryland. The Rev. Dr. Fuller, of the Baptist church, accompanied the party, by invitation, as chairman, and the conversation was conducted mainly between him and Mr. Lincoln, and was not heard entire by all the members of the Convention.

Our informant, however, vouches for what we now write. He states that upon the introduction, they were received very cordially by Mr. Lincoln?aa sort of rude familiarity of manner ? and the conversation opened by Dr. Fulller seeking to impress upon Mr. Lincoln the vast responsibility of the position he occupied, and that upon him depended the issues, of peace or war?on one hand aa terrible, fratricidal conflict, and on the other peace.
“But” said Mr. Lincoln, what am I to do?”

“Why, sir, let the country know that you are disposed to recognize the independence of the Southern States. I say nothing of secession; recognize the fact that they have formed a Government of their own; that they will never be united again with the North, and peace will instantly take the place of anxiety and suspense, and war may he averted.” “AND WHAT SHALL BECOME OF THE REVENUE? I SHALL HAVE NO GOVERNMENT?NO RESOURCES?” (Emphasis added, nott in the original)

Dr. Fuller expressed the opinion that the Northern States would constitute an imposing government and furnish revenue, but our informant could not follow the exact terms of the remark.

(Reprinted in the Memphis Daily Avalanche May 8th 1861, pg.1, col. 4.)


1,030 posted on 03/28/2009 4:53:14 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Sounds pretty bad to me

Declaration by the People of the Cherokee Nation

Throughout the Confederate States we saw this great revolution effected without violence or the suspension of the laws or the closing of the courts. The military power was nowhere placed above the civil authorities. None were seized and imprisoned at the mandate of arbitrary power. All division among the people disappeared, and the determination became unanimous that there should never again be any union with the Northern States. Almost as one man all who were able to bear arms rushed to the defense of an invaded country, and nowhere has it been found necessary to compel men to serve or to enlist mercenaries by the offer of extraordinary bounties.

But in the Northern States the Cherokee people saw with alarm a violated Constitution, all civil liberty put in peril, and all the rules of civilised warfare and the dictates of common humanity and decency unhesitatingly disregarded. In States which still adhered to the Union a military despotism has displaced the civil power and the laws became silent amid arms. Free speech and almost free thought became a crime. The right to the writ of habeas corpus, guaranteed by the Constitution, disappeared at the nod of a Secretary of State or a general of the lowest grade. The mandate of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court was set at naught by the military power, and this outrage on common right approved by a President sworn to support the Constitution.

1,031 posted on 03/28/2009 5:07:54 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Well look here! Another MURDEROUS Yankee letter

“Camp near Camden, S. C., Feb 26, 1865.
My dear wife—I have no time for particulars. We have had a glorious time in this State. Unrestricted license to burn and plunder was the order of the day. The chivalry [meaning the Honourable & Chivalrous people of the South] have been stripped of most of their valuables. Gold watches, silver pitchers, cups, spoons, forks, &c., are as common in camp as blackberries.
The terms of plunder are as follows: Each company is required to exhibit the results of its operations at any given place—one-fifth and first choice falls to the share of the commander-in-chief and staff; one-fifth to the corps commanders and staff; one-fifth to field officers of regiments, and two-fifths to the company.
Officers are not allowed to join these expeditions without disguising themselves as privates. One of our corps commanders borrowed a suit of rough clothes from one of my men, and was successful in this place. He got a large quantity of silver (among other things an old-time milk pitcher) and a very fine gold watch from a Mrs DeSaussure, at this place. DeSaussure was one of the F. F. V.s of South Carolina, and was made to fork over liberally.. Officers over the rank of Captain are not made to put their plunder in the estimate for general distribution. This is very unfair, and for that reason, in order to protect themselves, subordinate officers and privates keep back every thing that they can carry about their persons, such as rings, earrings, breast pins, &c., of which, if I ever get home, I have about a quart. I am not joking—I have at least a quart of jewelry for you and all the girls, and some No. 1 diamond rings and pins among them.
General Sherman has silver and gold enough to start a bank. His share in gold watches alone at Columbia was two hundred and seventy-five. But I said I could not go into particulars. All the general officers and many besides had valuables of every description, down to embroidered ladies’ pocket handkerchiefs. I have my share of them, too. We took gold and silver enough from the damned rebels to have redeemed their infernal currency twice over. This, (the currency), whenever we came across it, we burned, as we considered it utterly worthless.
I wish all the jewelry this army has could be carried to the “Old Bay State”. It would deck her out in glorious style; but, alas! it will be scattered all over the North and Middle States. The damned niggers, as a general rule, prefer to stay at home, particularly after they found out that we only wanted the able-bodied men, (and to tell the truth, the youngest and best-looking women). Sometimes we took off whole families and plantations of niggers, by way of repaying secessionists. But the useless part of them we soon manage to lose; [one very effective was to “shoot at their bobbing heads as they swam rivers” after the army units crossed over], sometimes in crossing rivers, sometimes in other ways.
I shall write to you again from Wilmington, Goldsboro’, or some other place in North Carolina. The order to march has arrived, and I must close hurriedly. Love to grandmother and aunt Charlotte. Take care of yourself and children. Don't show this letter out of the family.
Your affectionate husband, Thomas J Myers, Lieut.,
P.S. I will send this by the first flag of truce to be mailed, unless I have an opportunity of sending it at Hilton Head. Tell Sallie I am saving a pearl bracelet and ear-rings for her; but Lambert got the necklace and breast pin of the same set. I am trying to trade him out of them. These were taken from the Misses Jamison, daughters of the President of the South Carolina Secession Convention. We found these on our trip through Georgia.” End of Letter.
The letter was addressed to Mrs. Thomas J. Myers, Boston, Massachusetts. end

1,032 posted on 03/28/2009 5:20:35 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: Rustabout
The reason there is not as many murderous Confederate letters is that with the lower educational level in the South, fewer letters of any kind were written by the Confederates-especially by the most ignorant who would also tend to be the ones most devoted to the cause of secession and thus be the ones who would be the most likely to kill and torture their fellow southerners who didn't toe the Confederate line. You too need to read chapter 23 in Hurlburt's book.

Real atrocities by rebels

1,033 posted on 03/28/2009 5:48:37 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
OK..I'll buy that if you buy jest one of these

Francis W. Springer’s War for What?

Robert W. Johannsen’s Lincoln, the South, and Slavery:

Jeffrey Rogers Hummel’s Emancipating Slaves, Enslaving Free Men:

Lerone Bennett Jr.’s Forced Into Glory: Abraham Lincoln’s White Dream

Charles Adams’ When in the Course of Human Events:

Thomas J. DiLorenzo’s The Real Lincoln

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Confederate-Government-I/dp/0306804182

1,034 posted on 03/28/2009 6:35:32 PM PDT by Rustabout (Dig Lincoln up and shoot him for me)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Imagine that, a letter from a Vicious Reb shopping his way thru PA dutch country in June 1863.(That mean Gen. Ewell won't let them use Confederate Money. How utterly vicious of him. War crime!!!! What Mongol Horde. The Army of NOVA was. God I am so ashamed of them......IMHO they were being WAY TO NICE!!!!


Camp at Chambersburg, Pennsylvania June 25th 1863

Dear Sister & Mother,

Yesterday I purchased a large lot of dry goods comprising three dresses for H.S.B. & two for Mother, or rather one of the girls' dresses is for Lizzie. There are sundry other articles too numerous & unfamiliar to me, to mention, except that I send a piece of shirting cotton. The whole concern cost me (4 lbs. tea at $3.00 included) $163.00-- It would cost you about $700 if you could get it at all, I suppose I hope to be able to fill another box if we get to Harrisburg or Carlisle, and will try to send the things included in your list & not sent now. There are no silk dresses in this town - all being [illeg.] off or hidden. I bought for C.S. money & used no threats for compulsion whatever.

Chickens sell for 10 cents here, butter for 12 1/2, but we generally have to pay in Yankee money for them as Genl Ewell does not allow us to force our own currency upon the people - a [unclear: leniency] which I think utterly thrown away upon men who behave as these have done, or at least as their troops have done. The people in the towns seem to stir about as much as usual or more, and behave pretty well except that now & then women turn their backs on us, or bring up a decided pout, which as they are naturally very much uglier & coarser than ours, doesn't improve them in fact is a trial their faces are not equal to.

We have actually got again into the neighborhood where a five cent piece is worth something. The dresses I send cost 50 cents a yard, but would have been about 25 in Fedl money, I think.

I send you a New York Herald of June 22d containing a pretty accurate map of the siege of Winchester to fair enough Yankee account of it. As to our captures it rather exaggerates than diminishes them.

We are daily getting large supplies. All these little Dutch Yankee towns are full of things we require, and we have clothing, shoes, provisions, letter paper even in great quantities- less clothing & shoes in proportion however, than anything else. Genl Lee's orders prescribe that requisitions be made on the towns [unclear: taken] for any articles needed - if they fail to furnish it, then the town is to be searched & anything needed to be taken. We got a good deal by these two means in Chambersburg.

I hope you'll get the valise I send, packed, as a sort of "amende honorable" for taking your carpet-bag supply, especially as the things are very valuable to you. I will try next time to buy something for winter use. We are all well

Yrs affecy

[unclear: G.] C. Brown

I hope the tea will be drinkable- It was the only article in town above the degree of abominable.

1,035 posted on 03/28/2009 6:48:48 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Rustabout
Here is another letter from a blood thirsty evil Reb Pillaging his way thru PA in 1863. I guess his major crime was not using Master Card or Visa. That mean Bobby Lee has standing orders for his men to pay for everything they take. God, that Army of NOVA was F-ing heartless and cruel, it's UFB. God, when compared to Sherman,s well behaved, humane and disciplined men, the Army of NOVA should have been all execute after the war.

Camp of 53rd Va Regt Near Chambersburg Franklin Co. Pa. July 1st, 1863 Dear Lelia,

We have had some very hard marches lately as you may judge from the place and date of my letter. We are you may say in the very heart of Yankeedom, passed through Maryland Three days ago, a great many [unclear: reservists] joined our Army from Maryland but we found all very bitter Yankeys in Pennsylvania we met many secessionists in Hagerstown M.D. a place of about 6000 inhabitants. We are living very well over here and the amount of money saved to our Government every day by our subsisting on the Enemy is about $200,000. We are impressing & purchasing a great many fine horses from the Enemy and our Commissaries are supplied with fine Cattle sheep &c, the rations of Whiskey, Coffee & Sugar remind me of our living at West Point. We are about 20 miles from the Pennsylvania line, and the farms are generally about 1000 acres in size and produce from 12 to 15 [unclear: bhls] corn and from 30 to 40 bushels of wheat to the acre. The owners are generally of Dutch descent and are very much terrified at our presence and think it horrible that we should invade Pennsylvania, indeed they have known nothing of the war heretofore, and I believe unless we do bring it home to them in this manner they would be willing to carry it on indefinitely. Of the plans of Genl Lee I know nothing our Div is in the rear. Genl Ewell & Hill and some of Longstreets Div. are near Harrisburg the Capital of Pa. We can take it very readily but whither it will be our plan to attack it or Baltimore or Phil adelphia I do not know, we have already supplied our Army with a great many shoes hats &c and I expect the advanced Divs have gotten more than we have. Our Army is in excellent health, and if we keep up our present state of organization there is nothing to fear from [unclear: any] force they can bring against us. Genl Hood I understand is between us and Washington - we are some distance north west of Baltimore and about 70 miles from it. Chambersburg is a very pretty town of about 5000 inhabitants. I have eaten many nice meals in Yankee land and the people take our money and feed us on the best they have, such as nice pickles, brandies, wines, preserves, apple butter, cherries &c, our meals, (and I get [unclear: ma] all at some houses where we stop, the houses are large, nice & convenient) cost us from 25 to 50 cents each. Hats of the best quality from 2 to 5$ - boots and shoes from time to time. Sheep 3$ each beef 8 cents per lb. bacon 12 cents. Coffee 7c Sugar 15 to 20 cents per lb, whiskey 100 per gal. The dutch farmers hate to see us driving their fine horses to our artillery and killing their fat beeves by hundreds. Our Army will not cost the confederacy a great deal as long as we remain in Pa. I suppose we will necessarily have a big fight before we leave the state, and expect it will be somwhere north of Baltimore probably near Philadelphia or Harrisburg. Our Army is in fine spirits and willing to be led every where - or any where confidently expecting success under the able leadership of Genl Lee.

Our soldiers have burnt no houses and no barns as the Enemy do and are obeying strictly Genl Lee's orders to "take no property unless we pay for it" but we have burnt some larger iron works, foundries &c, and are tearing up their Rail Road by whole-sale. I will not write a very long or very particular letter as we are not very certain that our letters may not be intercepted. I hope this may find you and Edgar and all [unclear: our] family in good health. My love to [unclear: Mama] and her family and to Sister [unclear: Mary] and all my relatives and to Aunt Betsy & family, and for myself and family accept all the love of

your devoted friend and affectionate husband

B. L. Farinholt

Kiss Edgar for me

1,036 posted on 03/28/2009 7:07:29 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Here is a letter from another blood thirsty Rebel, shopping his way thru PA in 1863. I posted other letters from Confederate shoppers in the two posts above.

In a letter to his son, Franklin Gaillard describes the troops' movement into Pennsylvania and the reaction of the local population to the Confederate troops. Gaillard also writes that he agrees with Lee's strict policy against looting.

Camp near Chambersburg, Pa. June 28th 1863.

My dear Sonny

I am afraid that our men will suffer for shoes. These long marches are very trying on men's feet and shoes. You would be very much amused to see the men crossing a river. A regiment is marched down to the banks and sometimes halted long enough to allow them to pull of their pantaloons. If the water is over waist deep they put bayonets on their guns and hang their cartridge boxes on them - then right shoulder shift arms and wade across all in fine spirits as if it was a frolic. The Yankees carry pontoon trains along with them but our boys say that every man in General Lee's Army carries his own pontoons. It is very funny to pass through these Yankee towns to see the long sour faces the people put on. The girls some of them wear little United States flags. Others more indecent hold their noses and make faces. Our men go on and pay no attention to them. They only laugh at them when they make themselves ridiculous. Things are very cheap here in their stores but they will not take our money and Gen. Lee has issued very stringent orders about private property. He is very right for our Army would soon become demoralized if they were allowed to do as many of them would like to. Many of them think it very hard that they should not be allowed to treat them as their soldiers treated our people. But we must not imitate the Yankees in their mean acts.

We are getting a large number of horses but this is being done by proper authorities.

Gen. Lee is going to support his Army over here and this will tax the people here and make them feel the war.

You must give my love to all and kiss daughter for me. Give my love to Grand Ma, Aunt Ria and all at Aunt Louisa's. It is getting so dark I can hardly see how to write. Your very affectionate father Franklin Gaillard

1,037 posted on 03/28/2009 8:36:18 PM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Rustabout
Why don’t you choose to close that lying Yankee mouth of yours..You will be much happier and so will I

Why not demonstrate where I'm lying? Or is that too much work for you?

1,038 posted on 03/29/2009 4:53:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
We must wonder when round two comes are you going to “man up” and leave your Computer behind~ Come on Down to Dixie and Reconstruct us? I doubt it!

Round two? Sure, and the South in going to rise again, right?

Jest like before y'all have them fresh off the boat immigrants fight your War

How are you going to fight it without slaves?

1,039 posted on 03/29/2009 4:55:55 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Rustabout
I recon you should give back your B-B-Q...

Having had Kansas City barbecue and Memphis barbecue, I'd say that's yet another area we excel in.

...and stop watching Nascar since y'all hate the South so!

I don't watch NASCAR, even though we have the Kansas Speedway not to far away from me. It's known locally as The Mecca of Red-necka.

By the way my Dishonest Abe Cultist Friend...Has Kansas ever had a good Football team?

Why not ask Virginia Tech and Minnesota?

1,040 posted on 03/29/2009 5:03:12 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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