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To: kabar
And again, you are wrong. You are making the phony assumption that none of those 7 million plus jobs would be filled if there were no illegal aliens to fill them.

I didn't say that.... what I did say is, that the economics of illegal immigration are driven by cost. Americans cost more -- a lot more -- than illegals. A lot of those jobs (especially in agriculture) are only available because of the low wages that illegals will accept. Getting rid of the low-wage workers may well drive many Americans out of business.

Of course they are cheaper. The only problem is that it is against the law to hire them.

Hm. Have you ever wondered about why so many American employers are so blatantly unimpressed by that argument?

Demand isn't the problem in this ountry. We have plenty of labor, skilled and unskilled.

Two sentences that have very little to do with one another. The demand for labor is quite obviously being filled by illegals, and not by those from whom jobs are allegedly being "stolen." The difference in employability between illegal and domestic labor sources has its roots in one thing only: the cost of illegal labor is much, much lower.

The employers might be willing (or able) to pay if they didn't have access to any more illegal workers.

And many of them might well go out of business, too. You have to figure that they're flouting the law for a reason.

21 posted on 03/17/2009 12:27:08 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
I didn't say that.... what I did say is, that the economics of illegal immigration are driven by cost. Americans cost more -- a lot more -- than illegals. A lot of those jobs (especially in agriculture) are only available because of the low wages that illegals will accept. Getting rid of the low-wage workers may well drive many Americans out of business.

What kind of logic is that? It sounds like the same reasoning that went into the slave trade. Hiring illegal workers as a cheap, inexhaustible supply of labor is AGAINST THE LAW. Are you suggesting that we change the law or open the borders?

Hm. Have you ever wondered about why so many American employers are so blatantly unimpressed by that argument?

Because the USG has not been enforcing its own laws and the US taxpayer is subsidizing the costs in terms of health care, education, and other social benefits. Tomorrow, the Center for Immigration studies will be issuing a new report on the impact of Immigration Enforcement in the Meatpacking industry. I will send it to you tomorrow and you can see how Swift was able to deal with the raids on their plants. Hint: They were able to find replacement AMERICAN workers and they paid them more.

Two sentences that have very little to do with one another. The demand for labor is quite obviously being filled by illegals, and not by those from whom jobs are allegedly being "stolen." The difference in employability between illegal and domestic labor sources has its roots in one thing only: the cost of illegal labor is much, much lower.

Why do you keep stating the obvious? Of course they are cheaper, which is why they are attractive. You don't have to provide them with the same benefits that are required by law. The point is that they are illegal and businesses are prohibited by law from hiring them. The foundation upon which this country is built is the rule of law. Businesses that hire illegals should be punished severely.

And many of them might well go out of business, too. You have to figure that they're flouting the law for a reason.

Pure BS. It is up to them to comply with our existing laws or have them changed. We already bring in one million guest workers thru programs like H1B, H2B, etc. I don't understand where you are coming from.

22 posted on 03/17/2009 12:57:20 PM PDT by kabar
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