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Hot Tempers and Cool Tips for Linux Geeks
www.technewsworld.com ^ | 03/12/09 4:00 AM PT | Katherine Noyes

Posted on 03/12/2009 9:39:28 AM PDT by N3WBI3

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1 posted on 03/12/2009 9:39:28 AM PDT by N3WBI3
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2 posted on 03/12/2009 9:40:22 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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3 posted on 03/12/2009 10:02:39 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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Ha what fun!

I will have to get gramma on ‘ubuntu’ so when her webserver for her mahjohn group fails she can bash— or can tell if you’re using the new drivers by the drive showing up as /dev/sda instead of /dev/hda

She wiull be so thrilled next time she wast to get email pictures from the grandchildren that she can pull in the latest copy of screen that has just been introduced into Debian Experimental

You Linux geeks are as bad as liberals

I bet the story of being assaulted by a windows tech is just as truthful as the last few liberal hoaxes about someone typing ‘nigger’ on the car door of a guest liberal speaker at a college event (turns out she wrote it herself to show how mean spiritted race debate has become)

Look, nobody is FORCING you to use windows. Use linux and create all the open source software you like- I love it I can get stuff free from you guys- and I am grateful.

Just don’t FORCE everyone to share your beliefs or feel you are somehow superior the way liberals feel everyone else HAS TO become socialists.

Oh, and ‘Ubuntu’ is a silly name for ANYTHING


4 posted on 03/12/2009 10:06:02 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
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To: Mr. K

I take it your part of the windows employment program..


5 posted on 03/12/2009 10:08:24 AM PDT by Michael Barnes
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I used windows/linux 50/50. I am a computer engineer and make systems using whatever tool gets the job done.

It just gives me great pleasure to tweek the Linux geeks

After 50 years Unix still is not the main stream PC operating system for EXACTLY the reasons stated in this article.

And they still cannot figure it out

Look, I KNOW it is a superior operating system, I use it and I have a degree in computer science AND physics.

But it bugs me when people act like liberals about government OR operating systems- and the linux zealots are like religios fanatics too sometimes.


6 posted on 03/12/2009 10:13:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
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oh- and I was around long enought to learn on unix in school.

I wateched these same geek types laugh at DOS, WINDOWS, OS/@ and (God help us) OS/2 WARP and every version on up...

Laugh and laugh... while they were losing ground to DOS(!!)

Even Apple had a better operating system, but the superior attitude has left it in 10% of the market.


7 posted on 03/12/2009 10:19:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
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>Look, I KNOW it is a superior operating system, I use it and I have a degree in computer science AND physics.

I disagree. While Windows “Would you like to continue?” Vista was definitely a [VERY LARGE] step in the wrong direction, XP and 98SE were superior, even to linux, in the sense that for simple and routine things you never felt like you were fighting against the OS... With linux, I’m constantly having to fight the OS. (The other day I was over my quota and couldn’t do any file-maintenance to get back to the allowed size, so I had to do some searching and finally found that the directory containing my trashcan was full and had to do a “rm .* -r -f” just to empty it.)


8 posted on 03/12/2009 10:27:41 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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I meant LINUX is superior operating system


9 posted on 03/12/2009 10:38:23 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
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oops I misunderstood you

I agree it is vastly superior in terms of ease of use compared to Linux.

But in terms of security and stability Unix/Linux is still better (and more of a ‘real’ operating system)

You would think in 50 years they (linux geeks) could program it to look and run like windows or something USER FRIENDLY

Win2K professional (and winXP pro) were mighty fine, and Vista is stupid


10 posted on 03/12/2009 10:41:40 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
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"Superior" is a very subjective term.

It requires several assumptions--what purpose are you using it for? What task is being asked of it? What knowledge must the user have (or not have)? What's the background and habits of the person making the claim? What are the needs of the user?

One cannot make a blanket statement like "xxxx is the superior operating system" and leave it at that. That is way to general to make any sense.

11 posted on 03/12/2009 10:44:57 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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You would think in 50 years they (linux geeks) could program it to look and run like windows...

Linux is NOT Windows

...or something USER FRIENDLY

They have. KDE, Gnome, and Xfce are all very user friendly. They're just NOT Windows.

12 posted on 03/12/2009 10:47:27 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Frankly, I’m rather disappointed at the state of OS-es. (I have one that I’ve “back-burner”-ed...thinking on design issues and trying to finish my CS degree.)

I do think that the “everything is a file/bag-o-bits” mentality is a misdesign. Plus it makes the filesystem pug-ugly... and then there’s the encoding of device attributes into the FS, equally ugly.

I’m much more comfortable with the software-ish mindset of “everything is an object”... in regards to OS anyway. Because then you can have properties, functions, procedures, attributes, etc. And, from the “software mindset”, your file-objects could have read/write-to-stream methods where the stream is the interface to the physical media. A “monitor” object to map the capabilities of a monitor, etc.


13 posted on 03/12/2009 10:49:26 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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Yeah but gramma can’t get a virus on Ubuntu.

Welcome to Windows.


14 posted on 03/12/2009 10:52:43 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: ShadowAce
Agree 100%.

Linux has some very good features but XP has it's points too. To compare them and say "this one is better" makes no sense.

15 posted on 03/12/2009 10:53:02 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Definition of a sucker: Pay your bills like a responsible adult to compensate for those who didn't!)
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To: ShadowAce

I gave an example of one area wherein linux is not superior, routine file-maintenance. (I have had fewer troubles with file-maintenance on all my pre-vista combined than the last 4 years of dealing with the CS department’s linux machines.) That is the only issue I was addressing there; in other words I was refuting the blanket statement “Linux is the superior OS” by pointing out one area that it is not superior.


16 posted on 03/12/2009 10:53:59 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: N3WBI3

Currently showing sda, not hda.


17 posted on 03/12/2009 5:16:30 PM PDT by PAR35
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the linux zealots are like religios fanatics

No doubt, the stock market is in meltdown, both houses of Congress run by liberals, a communist just got elected president, and these guys come to FR to pimp Linux. At least it's entertaining watching them spin on their heads when you point out Obama is a big open source pimp himself.

18 posted on 03/12/2009 8:41:49 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (In God We Trust)
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To: OneWingedShark

You’ve got the right idea.

I was watching during the court cases where Gates tried to say that Internet Explorer was “part of the operating system” and it made me crazy.

I wish I could have testified that anythig above and beyond controlling the actual hardware is above the call of an operating systems and in the realm of user software. Because I knew the judges wouldn’t understand any of this.


19 posted on 03/13/2009 4:48:13 AM PDT by Mr. K (physically unable to proofreed (<---oops))
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>I wish I could have testified that anythig above and beyond controlling the actual hardware is above the call of an operating systems and in the realm of user software. Because I knew the judges wouldn’t understand any of this.

True, strictly speaking. However, UI _is_ used to control the hardware (in some sense), or in the limited cases of dedicated/embedded systems show the operator something (like the ‘check engine’ light in a car, etc.).

Another example, I’m thinking about making the OS’s memory manager (via subclass, interface or somesuch) available to user programs. While this may be “above and beyond” the call of an OS, it would be better, IMO, to provide memory-management and garbage-collection to the programmer rather than forcing them to use malloc and other-such minutia that are incidental to performing the procedure you are trying to finish.


20 posted on 03/14/2009 10:25:25 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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