Posted on 03/11/2009 3:47:01 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
Bullshit! You've been trashing her long before that.
You are so full of it, you are disgusting.
If I gave the impression that I thought the children of single parent households are doomed to failure I apologise entirely; that was not my intent.
It IS my intent though to uphold the social norm of committed married parents as the NORM, not the practically unattainable “ideal”—as though it were the equivalent of bowling a 300 or pitching a 27-pitch perfect game.
And I DO mean to criticise those who have the ability to give children two married committed parents but choose not to do so because it causes THEM (the parent) discomfort or guilt to do so.
Got link?
Or just a potty mouth?
well if you don’t have a job or an education and you have a baby out of wedlock then you have to depend on others and that’s not right.
Good post.
Look at your last paragraph
And I DO mean to criticise those who have the ability to give children two married committed parents
My point is and will alway be, what good would be to a child without committed parents?
We seem to have been spinning our wheels here.
Parents being married because they had a child and are not committed, not good. Not good at all.
A child that do not have parents that ARE NOT committed and do not really love each other, has a rough future.
This is why I think that Miss Palin made the right choice to not get married.
I can not and will not back down from that. This baby will be in the spotlight no matter what. She did make the right decision for her and the baby.
It’s a mistake, I think, to view this primarily in terms of “how much immorality one can pay to paper over,” although many utilitarians are at least brought to the realisation that there might be a long-term problem with illegitimacy by that line of enquiry.
The bottom-line question is do children deserve married, committed parents, and what are the consequences of the failure of society to maintain that norm?
We are in violent agreement on the question of Bristol marrying Levi.
I just differ with you, it seems, on what the best way forward from that assessment is: I vote for adoption to suitable parents.
And the Palin family is what??
This is whole conversation is stupid. Bristol Palin does not live in the projects and is not on WIC. And we have no evidence that Levi will be an absent dad.
Of course children do deserve a well rounded family.
No doubt.
So Levi will be reading the bed-time stories and comforting Tripp from his nightmares? When he isn’t on the North Slope for 6 months out of the year?
“Absent dad” clearly means something entirely different to you than it does to me.
Put it like this.
Your daughter wants the baby. You are the grandparent and have no problems with that.
Would your heart not ache knowing that your grandchild was out there, without you?
Me? If my child wanted the baby, pry that grandchild from my hands.
I have to say, if it was my child and they DID NOT want the baby.... the baby is me and my blood, I would raise the child and smile the whole time.
Blood is blood.
Would you be able to know that a part of you is out in the world with strangers instead of family?
Not me.
The statistics on this subject are ginned up by inner city project dwellers. Do you really think Bristol Palin fits this stereotype? Do you really think Trip is going to turn out to be a gang-banger?
WOW, you know him?
See my comments above on the vulgar utilitarianism of attempting to calculate for how much immorality a family can afford to pay.
Do you think the upper classes’ serial monogamies, out-of-pocket abortions and pre-nuptially negotiated infidelities has not had corrosive consequences to the social stability and overall welfare of the country?
The seared consciences of the upper classes on these questions are in fact the ONLY reason that abortion on demand is the law of the land—the butcher’s bill starts at 50 million souls and goes up from there when we start to look at the criminal statistics linked to the Sexual Revolution.
My neighbor killed her 2-yr-old "step" daughter last fall. I felt so bad! I didn't know them, except that they were young and had 4 children. I thought they were married, but they weren't. I found out too late what was going on there. She had stayed with her friend and her friend's family while she was pregnant. During her stay, she started sleeping with her friend's husband. They then kicked the "friend" out of the master bedroom so she could move in with the guy! When he divorced his wife, they took his two kids and her two kids and rented the house by me. I don't even know if she's been charged yet, but they were in hiding for while and then were kicked out of the house. These were just evil people!
And the Palin family is what??
Tripp’s grandparents and not the 2 most important people needed to teach him about values and responsibility: a married mom and a dad.
The household and vocational arrangements of Bristol and Levi have entered the public domain.
My sons' birthmothers don't have to worry. We've kept close contact and visit regularly--as we have for the last 14 and 12 years. We didn't "plan" open adoption--it just happened by the Grace of God. I think it's better for the kids not to have "fantasies". Heck, when I was a kid, I sometimes wished I was adopted so I could go find my "real" parents. ;)
My take on this is out of I Claudius, when Julia, for her serial and spectacular immoralities is driven from the house, and her mother sits inside the doorway listening to her daughter weeping and pleading outside.
“She cannot come back—that is her punishment; and I cannot go—that is my punishment.”
It would hurt like hell, but the important question is not how I feel about, but what the child deserves.
Good grief.
Forget I Claudius, we are talking about a child. Your blood.
Good night.
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