Posted on 03/11/2009 3:47:01 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay
Ah. You got me. It’s been 30 years, not 40.
I misquote a number and I’m the ignorant one. Got it.
I am off to Church now.
You have continually judged Bristol by saying that she should give up her child to a “suitable married couple” rather than raising him lovingly in a supportive family and anything less is not acceptable in your eyes. Is it ideal? No, however I don’t think this one child’s “sin”, as you label it, is going to take down the whole social fabric of our country. My Christian upbringing has taught me to be compassionate and forgiving not to bring public shame on those who “sin”. I do not know what’s in her heart and what she has “confessed to God” and neither do you.
We start with another nationally televised interview in which she acknowledges that single parent families are among the greatest burdens on society, and that committed married parents are a right of all children from the first day of their births, and that actions which separate children from that right, such as fornication, are profoundly immoral and destructive to society.
And then I’d like a pony for my daughter, as well, since that’s just as likely.
So, since it doesn’t seem like THIS particular sin is going to be the one that breaks the camel’s back, we just put our hands in our pockets and walk away?
Will I be permitted to protest? When I am mugged by a child from a single-parent household? When a city neighbourhood is in flames from rioting youths?
Tell me: when do the costs become mentionable? When do we have permission that it’s unhealthy to indulge sin and the violation of social norms?
I am getting in my car now.
TTFN, it was very entertaining.
I hope you are paid by the post or find some form of happiness otherwise.
Perhaps there are some drunkards down the street to chastise...
Bristol brought the shame on herself when she attacked chastity as “unrealistic.”
I’m the just the messenger boy, sent to collect the bill.
It’s easy to laugh until social decay burns something down YOU happen to value before YOUR own eyes.
God grant that you are spared that final understanding.
So did Bristol damage society or not? If so, what restitution is advisable that is actually in addition to her existing responsibilities?
You truly are a warped individual if you believe that she needs to make restitution.
I truly pity your children, if you have any. If you had a daughter and she got pregnant out of wedlock would you give your flesh and blood away to a "suitable married couple" rather than allow her to keep the baby? If so, you're no conservative - you're sick.
That is VERY interesting, for God is the only one who collects such bills....
Are you calming to be him now?
One of his Angels?
Are you really still going to argue with me that some is not amiss with you and your actions here?
I so want to hear this one I might wreck trying to read it and drive...
If you are so powerful that pony for your daughter should be a cinch.
Insight.
Is the Romney supporter meant for me? I wasn’t a Romney supporter but I did vote for him in the Primary since it was either him, McCain or Huckabee. The others dropped out. I voted for McCain in the General, mainly because I didn’t want Obama to win and also because I liked what I knew about Palin. She made it easier to vote for McCain (for me). I don’t think she’s perfect but I also don’t blame the behavior of her teen daughter on her.
As for your libertine comment, I'm a proud conservative and I don't neeed you to lecture me about what a conservative should believe or not believe. I know having sex outside of marriage is a sin and is wrong but I also know it's Sarah Palin's and God's business alone to deal with Bristol, not ours.
Now I haven't decided yet who I will vote for in the primary, but if Sarah Palin gets the nomination I will be more than proud to cast my vote for her despite some flaws she and her family may have. No person on Earth has ever lived a completely perfect moral life from cradle to grave, and if any person says they have they are full of crap. I've sinned in the past and it's a pretty good bet you have also.
No, it was in response to your question from your post.
I not only “get outside” but I’m raising 4 kids. I also spend time with teens during my part time job. My parents raised 5 kids, and my oldest brother is a generation older than me. My parents were in their mid 40s when I was born.
Parenting was tough back then and it’s tough now. We have horrible outside influences, such as the in your face tv shows and movies that glamorize teen sex. However, it’s just another thing parents have to deal with. I have 3 teenagers and a pre teen. We don’t live in some bubble or fantasy.
Teens have been making their own choices for a long time. This isn’t anything new. Even the best parents aren’t always happy with the choices made by their teens or adult children.
What was happening back in those decades had parents concerned just as what concerns parents today. What is happening now has me concerned as a parent. But, I won’t blame outside influences for mistakes teens make. I’ve been very fortunate so far with my own kids and I hope it continues. There are no guarantees.
I do agree with that. Even that one talk show woman, Laura, adopted a baby (can’t remember the details of the story) and she’s not married so that child doesn’t have a father, as far as I know.
It bothers me that fathers aren’t given the same importance as mothers. The best case scenario is two parents, a mom and dad, who have children and raise them as a married couple who love each other. It’s the best example for the children.
Finances play an important part, imo, because since we have these government programs, where taxpayers support these people and the choices they make, we’re losing the idea of individual responsibility and accountablity. We’re also losing what I think of as the family.
I think pre marital sex is wrong which is why I didn’t engage in it. Partly because of my Faith and partly because of my parents. It’s what we’re trying to teach our kids. However, I don’t think it’s anything all that new or shocking.
Children should have two parents, a mom and a dad, imo. Preferably, they should be married, committed, love each other. During Father’s Day, the homily always ends with the best thing a father can do for his children is love their mother. I happen to think the best thing a mother can do for the children is love their father.
I don’t think using marriage, which I consider a Sacrament, the best thing for anyone involved in raising a child. My viewpoint has changed over the years. Back in high school, I couldn’t understand why pregnant students wouldn’t be allowed to attend school if they married (Catholic high school). They were allowed to attend if they were pregnant but not if they were married. As a teen, I couldn’t understand that. Now, I do. Marriage is a Sacrament. It’s not something that should be entered into for other reasons, or for reasons of convenience.
IF the people involved enter into marriage they should do so for the right reasons. I don’t get a say in those reasons. With Bristol and Levi, getting married for the wrong reasons isn’t the answer. That baby still has a father and mother. He still has grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, etc. He has family. He has family that seem to love him and will support him financially and otherwise.
Personally, for me, the best scenario is two people get married because they love each other and want to spend their lives together, then have sex, children, and stay married, etc.
If it can be avoided, meaning both are getting married with the idea that it’s forever, a committment, and not just a convenience for anyone, it’s the best thing to do.
But, that committted father doesn’t have to be married to the mother either, imo. He can still be a father, just like she can be a mother. It’s like divorce for me. It’s not something I can see happen to me but know many who have divorced. The fathers I know are still committed to their children.
Mores, or those accepted by society, have changed. I don’t necessarily think it all has been for the worst. I don’t want to go back to the days where a girl went to live with an aunt because she was pregnant, and came back like nothing happened, because a lot happened and she certainly didn’t forget it. And, anyone that knew her also knew or suspected what happened.
My point is this is all family business and families used to take care of each other. Or at least my family took care of each other. The government checks weren’t around mostly and even after FDR and LBJ’s programs, my family would never use them.
I get your point, I just disagree with parts of it and agree with parts of it. I hope you get my point too.
I don’t think we should blame the outside influences, though. They’ve always existed, maybe not to the extent now but they were there. Parents aren’t parenting or at least not like they were decades ago (on a larger scale) because people are using the government as a parent or as a protector.
Even “conservatives” want the State to enforce rules against smoking, or censoring things they don’t agree with. I prefer the government stay out of everyone’s lives. I don’t need them to parent my kids just like my parents didn’t need them to parent their kids. We’ve seen an increase in teen and unmarried pregnancy rates more so because the govt is now supporting these choices. These kids aren’t held responsible,financially, for their decisions. That’s my take on it. It’s not hollywood or anyone else, although things have changed in what they show now a days.
What you say has been understood and forgotten, I think is personal accountability and responsibility. Not only for teens/children but also for adults. We see this now with all these bailouts. Our government, the taxpayers, bailing out people who made poor choices.
I agree with that. It becomes our business when we’re paying for it and even then only a little bit. If we don’t change the laws/programs, we really have no say.
In RL, I don’t offer my opinion unless I’m asked. My husband and I will discuss things going on with people we know or those our kids associate with but mostly, it’s not our business. We only get a say when it comes to us, our kids.
LOL! Ok. I’ll keep that in mind.
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