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The ranch across the fence from our place in Stillwater County lost 22 sheep and they don't know how many were never found.

The wolves are a much larger can of worms than any greenie ever anticipated.

Compensation is a joke, doesn't happen. Our neighbor was told they were out of funding.

Right. ..

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1 posted on 02/28/2009 9:43:31 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

This is ridiculous. Wolves kill sheep - nothing new. Is your point that you can’t go out and kill the wolves b/c they are protected?

If true, this is crazy.


2 posted on 02/28/2009 9:45:09 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: jazusamo; girlangler; Grammy; proud_yank; rellimpank; GladesGuru; LucyT; SunkenCiv; MtnClimber; ...

The country is going broke while we spend millions on these protected wolves .


3 posted on 02/28/2009 9:48:26 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Parable of the Sheep

By Charles Riggs

http://www.abhijeetsingh.com/arms/india/sheep/

Not so long ago and in a pasture too uncomfortably close to here, a flock of sheep lived and grazed. They were protected by a dog, who answered to the master, but despite his best efforts from time to time a nearby pack of wolves would prey upon the flock.

One day a group of sheep, more bold than the rest, met to discuss their dilemma. “Our dog is good, and vigilant, but he is one dog and the wolves are many. The wolves he catches are not always killed, and the master judges and releases many to prey again upon us, for no reason we can understand. What can we do? We are sheep, but we do not wish to be food, too!”

One sheep spoke up, saying “It is his teeth and claws that make the wolf so terrible to us. It is his nature to prey, and he would find any way to do it, but it is the tools he wields that make it possible. If we had such teeth, we could fight back, and stop this savagery.” The other sheep clamored in agreement, and they went together to the old bones of the dead wolves heaped in the corner of the pasture, and gathered fang and claw and made them into weapons.

That night, when the wolves came, the newly armed sheep sprang up with their weapons and struck at them and cried “Begone! We are not food!” and drove off the wolves, who were astonished. When did sheep become so bold and so dangerous to wolves? When did sheep grow teeth? It was unthinkable!

The next day, flush with victory and waving their weapons, they approached the flock to pronounce their discovery. But as they drew nigh, the flock huddled together and cried out “Baaaaaaaadddd! Baaaaaddd things! You have bad things! We are afraid! You are not sheep!”

The brave sheep stopped, amazed. “But we are your brethren!” they cried, “We are still sheep, but we do not wish to be food. See, our new teeth and claws protect us and have saved us from slaughter. They do not make us into wolves, they make us equal to the wolves, and safe from their viciousness!”

“Baaaaaaaddd!”, cried the flock,”the things are bad and will pervert you, and we fear them. You cannot bring them into the flock. They scare us!”. So the armed sheep resolved to conceal their weapons, for although they had no desire to panic the flock, they wished to remain in the fold. But they would not return to those nights of terror, waiting for the wolves to come.

In time, the wolves attacked less often and sought easier prey, for they had no stomach for fighting sheep who possessed tooth and claw even as they did. Not knowing which sheep had fangs and which did not, they came to leave sheep out of their diet almost completely except for the occasional raid, from which more than one wolf did not return. Then came the day when, as the flock grazed beside the stream, one sheep’s weapon slipped from the folds of her fleece, and the flock cried out in terror again, “Baaaaaaddddd! You still possess these evil things! We must ban you from our presence!”.

And so they did. The great chief sheep and his court and council, encouraged by the words of their moneylenders and advisors, placed signs and totems at the edges of the pasture forbidding the presence of hidden weapons there. The armed sheep protested before the council, saying “It is our pasture, too, and we have never harmed you! When can you say we have caused you hurt? It is the wolves, not we, who prey upon you. We are still sheep, but we are not food!”. But the flock would not hear, and drowned them out with cries of “Baaaaaaddd! We will not hear your clever words! You and your things are evil and will harm us!”.

Saddened by this rejection, the armed sheep moved off and spent their days on the edges of the flock, trying from time to time to speak with their brethren to convince them of the wisdom of having such teeth, but meeting with little success. They found it hard to talk to those who, upon hearing their words, would roll back their eyes and flee, crying “Baaaaddd! Bad things!”.

That night, the wolves happened upon the sheep’s totems and signs, and said, “Truly, these sheep are fools! They have told us they have no teeth! Brothers, let us feed!”. And they set upon the flock, and horrible was the carnage in the midst of the fold. The dog fought like a demon, and often seemed to be in two places at once, but even he could not halt the slaughter. It was only when the other sheep arrived with their weapons that the wolves fled, vowing to each other to remain on the edge of the pasture and wait for the next time they could prey, for if the sheep were so foolish once, they would be so again. This they did, and do still.

In the morning, the armed sheep spoke to the flock, and said, “See? If the wolves know you have no teeth, they will fall upon you. Why be prey? To be a sheep does not mean to be food for wolves!”. But the flock cried out, more feebly for their voices were fewer, though with no less terror, “Baaaaaaaadddd! These things are bad! If they were banished, the wolves would not harm us! Baaaaaaaddd!”. The other sheep could only hang their heads and sigh. The flock had forgotten that even they possessed teeth; how else could they graze the grasses of the pasture? It was only those who preyed, like the wolves and jackals, who turned their teeth to evil ends. If you pulled their own fangs those beasts would take another’s teeth and claws, perhaps even the broad flat teeth of sheep, and turn them to evil purposes.

The bold sheep knew that the fangs and claws they possessed had not changed them. They still grazed like other sheep, and raised their lambs in the spring, and greeted their friend the dog as he walked among them. But they could not quell the terror of the flock, which rose in them like some ancient dark smoky spirit and could not be damped by reason, nor dispelled by the light of day.

So they resolved to retain their weapons, but to conceal them from the flock; to endure their fear and loathing, and even to protect their brethren if the need arose, until the day the flock learned to understand that as long as there were wolves in the night, sheep would need teeth to repel them.

They would still be sheep, but they would not be food!


4 posted on 02/28/2009 9:51:46 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins (I don't have a license to kill; I have a learner's permit.)
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To: george76

I don’t think the greenies really care about some rancher and his livestock. The greenies seem to be oblivious to the results of their actions, advocacy and policies.

This is the upside down kingdom.


5 posted on 02/28/2009 9:53:55 AM PST by Sir Clancelot
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To: george76

We’ll send Ashley Judd out to defend the wolves.


6 posted on 02/28/2009 9:54:35 AM PST by popdonnelly (Olbermann and Matthews remind one of zoo monkeys throwing excrement)
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To: george76

Sheep dogs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangal_Dog

Two or three of these ole boys, and buh-bye wolves.


7 posted on 02/28/2009 9:54:57 AM PST by mamelukesabre
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S-S-S


14 posted on 02/28/2009 10:06:57 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: george76
And, hypothetically speaking, if the ranchers all agreed to keep their dogs out of the areas where the wolves den, then rode out near there at night with balls of hamburger or roast heavily laced with rat poison,I think the wolf menace could be reduced,quietly too.
19 posted on 02/28/2009 10:32:48 AM PST by nomad
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To: george76

Somebody alert PETA.


20 posted on 02/28/2009 10:33:51 AM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: george76

No,, wolves dont do this. The hippies told me so.


23 posted on 02/28/2009 10:47:02 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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Amazing how the killing of domestic stock seems like no big deal to some people. City people seem to think that since they will go to the slaughterhouse someday, that its silly to be mad when they are found torn apart by predators a little sooner. Yes, its a money issue, but its also more than that.

Wolves often kill basically for fun. They will kill as many as they can catch, unrelated to what they will eat. They kill because they are dogs, and to them, its fun to chase and catch prey. They could be fed filet-mignon at the back door 5 times a day and they would still chase and kill sheep, cattle, pets, and anything else they see.

And it’s not just the money.
About two years ago, a young girl in south New Mexico lost a prize calf that was her FFA project, and practically a pet. The wolf advocate liberals send you money to buy a basic new calf, and tell you to shut up. Suddenly a 12 year old kid walking outside and finding their tame pet torn apart is all ok if you get 500 bucks. This from the same people who wail endlessly about every imagined trauma they face that no amount of money can ever fix.

If predators come near your stock, they should be shot on sight. They even act like you’re a criminal if you shoot one coming into your CAMPSITE. Shoot, Shovel, shut up.
And make sure to bury or smash the radio collar.


24 posted on 02/28/2009 11:06:04 AM PST by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: george76
The wolves are members of Acorn who voted for Obama and are just getting their piece of the pie. This is the hope and change they voted for./s

I live in Oregon and we have our first breeding pair of Canis Lupus that arrived recently in the NE part of the state. I predict that Oregon, being the liberal bastion that it is, will protect these animals. We will make sure to spend endless money we don't have on a breeding program, and endless studies about the docile nature of these beasts.

We are on the verge of another sea lion trapping and elimination program on the Columbia River below Bonneville Dam. The sea lions are eating machines and they munch way too may anadromous fish unabated. Last year the program was shut down because of the hippies. The munching went on and on. One sea lion gained 487 pounds in 77 days (556 pounds to 1043 pounds). The fish are endangered and the sea lions are not. Kill the trouble sea lions and save the fish! I am betting on the sea lion. The nuts are running the asylum, not just here in Oregon, but in DC also. The sea lions no doubt voted for Obama also.

27 posted on 02/28/2009 11:43:53 AM PST by mickey finn
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I guess I would conveniently mistake them for stray dogs, then shoot, shovel and shut up.


33 posted on 02/28/2009 6:21:08 PM PST by Cloverfarm
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