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Planning For Survival - How To Get Started
EDSFAS ^ | 02/21/2009 | Free America

Posted on 02/21/2009 8:03:31 PM PST by Free America52

It seems more and more people are asking questions on what steps can be taken to prepare for what appears to be a looming crisis, maybe even a breakdown in civilization. This is not a fun subject to discuss, because for most people it represents something that we never thought we would see in the USA.

But the facts are all around us. There is a ever-growing number of people who see the worst of what might happen. And worse, there is an ever-growing list of possibilities that could take our economy to levels not ever seen before. Is it the financial / banking crisis? Is it the ominous threat of a terrorist attack? Or is it a civil war created by an out-of-control government who appears to be over-reaching into individual rights?

The reality is that it could be any of these, or possibly a combination of these and many other scenario's that could play out. Unfortunately, the end result could all be the same. And that is a total breakdown in civilization as we know it, leaving millions of people without access to food and basic care. Think the government will take care of us if that happens? They are actually the ones that have created the mess, so I'm not holding out much hope that they are going to be of any help.

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KEYWORDS: disasterplanning; emergencyfood; survival; survivallist
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To: Southack
#1: avoid all contact, especially violent, with military and paramilitary groups. You won’t have the firepower of a Destroyer or B-2 bomber, and you won’t have acces to their level of medical care. #2: stay put if you can. Once you leave you will become a forager, and that’s a very difficult way to survive. #3: if you have to leave (e.g. to avoid contact with paramilitaries), then leave. F’in go! A stocked sailboat would be nice at that point. Go fishing. Come back when the crisis is over.

Boy, I sure am glad that Nathanael Greene, Harry Lee, Daniel Morgan, Francis Marion, John Paul Jones, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington didn't take any of your advice.

81 posted on 02/22/2009 6:23:27 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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To: jafojeffsurf

I buy one or two boxes of salt a week. I feel the same way. Salt can make near rotten food tolerable.

Sugar is difficult as it’s hard to keep it dry and ants out of it.

I am going to purchase a very good sealed plastic tub and fill it with sugar and suran wrap it I think.


82 posted on 02/22/2009 6:29:24 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: autumnraine

Get a vacuum packer $40 and seal the bags then put them in your tub.


83 posted on 02/22/2009 7:03:27 AM PST by jafojeffsurf
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

I’ve thought of what you say a lot. Before the Depression, people were used to hardship.

Now, people are used to the thought of food stamps, air conditioning, even constant entertainment. The thought of work from sun up to sun down isn’t something they are willing to consider. So rioting and looting will be the answer.


84 posted on 02/22/2009 7:06:04 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: jafojeffsurf

OH! Good idea! Thanks.


85 posted on 02/22/2009 7:13:05 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: girlangler

I have a friend who is a big crossbow fan. He also points out that they are not registered.

I don’t have the squirrels you do though. They have been a major pest (they eat the house) so we do our best to kill the suckers. The deer on the other hand, think I have planted them a hosta salad bar right out the front door.


86 posted on 02/22/2009 7:14:33 AM PST by Grammy
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To: Star Traveler

Not just the government not being able to pay, but our money being worthless. Which is apparently what would happen if China stopped buying our debt.


87 posted on 02/22/2009 7:15:55 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: yarddog
At some point someone will be willing to trade you food or ammo for toilet paper or soap.
88 posted on 02/22/2009 7:19:28 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: seekthetruth

When does that replay? I missed it.


89 posted on 02/22/2009 7:22:52 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: yarddog

“At least two .22 rifles and/or pistols and a lot of ammo, several thousand rounds at least. A good 12 gauge repeater and at least one powerful rifle and pistol along with a moderate supply of ammo. Also several powerful air rifles with a lot of pellets seem like a good idea to me.”

Your suggestion re two .22 rifles is an excellent one. Buy them and a couple bricks of ammo for each gun. Walmart had the bricks last week. I have basically self defense guns, and the 22’s could be game providers and protection weapons.

Yesterday morning, we were awaken when part of a flock of wild turkeys did a stop and go on our roof. That was one heck of a wakeup call.

As the full flock worked down our street and the yards on both sides, my mouth started watering for the taste of good wild turkey. Good and powerful air rifles with scopes could easily put a head shot into a nearby wild turkey.


90 posted on 02/22/2009 7:58:15 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Zer0's friends are criminals, foriegn/domestic terrorists, perverts, sexual deviates or tax cheats!)
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To: Star Traveler
the last Great Depression and realize that people did get by,

My dad was born 1898, he witnessed the depression fist hand, he described it to me in detail.

In his area there was no money and for those who had (some money) could hire labor, “hard labor” ten cents per hour.
He stated there were many family's who's’ father or bread winner was deceased and these were the ones’ who suffered the most. For those who were fortunate enough to raise crops, they would allow these familys to gleam their fields for food as in the Old Testament.
Yes, it was a difficult time but, people got through it.
According to Dad, family's and communities were much closer then today, it was neighbor helping neighbor.
I sure wouldn't want to depend on this in todays society's with so much greed.

91 posted on 02/22/2009 8:20:41 AM PST by buck61
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To: autumnraine

What I did is on the Internet I found a source for new 1 gal. paint cans.

I put a golf ball size chunk of dry ice in the bottom, then fill with the dry food. Set the lid on loose so vapors will vent, and wait a bit for the bottom of the can to warm. This insures the ice had evaporated and the can is filled with CO2. Then seal the lid tight.

Sealed, your food will keep for years. Also, a 1 gal container is easier to manage when you do open it. You will use it up before it goes bad. Plus, paint cans are resealable.


92 posted on 02/22/2009 8:25:04 AM PST by Petruchio (Democrats are like Slinkies... Not good for anything, but it's fun pushing 'em down the stairs.)
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To: Petruchio

ping for later


93 posted on 02/22/2009 8:35:28 AM PST by Kartographer
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To: yarddog
He once told me that a family of 10 can survive on 40 acres

They can if they have a large food canoe.
I was born in 43 and until I was 15 years of age we lived from the farm, Hogs, Cattle, Chickens and some game from the forest. The only food my father purchased was, salt, coffee, sugar, the rest was either cured, canned, or frozen.

I am fortunate, I raise a small garden and my wife and I make our own can beans, Beets, Potatoes, buried Cabbage, Crecy greens all winter long from the garden, frozen Corn, frozen Broccoli, Fish from an area lake. I also have a large pond with 10lb. Cat Fish at our disposal. We do much more then I have listed. My next project is installing a converter for making my own fuel oil, my neighbor has been doing this for about a year and is willing to help in the installation.

I realize all of this reads as though I'm boasting, I'm not, it is how my father taught me to live and old habits are hard to break. Many in America can, “if” willing do the same thing. Go to the food mks. look for specials on meat, learn how to can them, the same with fresh veg's.
Learn how to freeze veg's, very simple, or can them.

When push comes to shove, (coming soon to America) people will be forced to change the life style.

94 posted on 02/22/2009 8:43:55 AM PST by buck61
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To: Free America52
Here's an ongoing thread with the same topic: Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]

Lots of posts, lots of great ideas, and lots of experts there to answer questions.
95 posted on 02/22/2009 9:23:51 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: Star Traveler
The question to ask is if in the last Great Depression, did society quit functioning totally and leave everyone “out in the cold”. No, it didn’t. It was severe and it was a really big problem, but society was still there doing its thing. And so it will be now, although I do believe it will be quite severe.

While true, the demographics and people's mindset were a lot different. We have a lot more people now and less of them on land that can be farmed. Or even knowing how to farm, sew, cook from scratch, raise livestock, etc. We have a generation or two with an entitlement attitude and they were taught they didn't need to work to get their needs met.

I see this time around as being a lot more violent. We have a lot people now that don't mind stealing what they need (welfare didn't exist back in the 20's). And people were a lot more honest then.
96 posted on 02/22/2009 9:29:34 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: NRA1776
http://bullion.nwtmint.com/

I cannot believe the way the price of silver has skyrocketed. Wish I bought more NWT bullions when they were at $12! (Just a month ago)
97 posted on 02/22/2009 9:32:15 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: Petruchio

Hey! That’s an excellent idea!


98 posted on 02/22/2009 9:36:49 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: yarddog

The largest salt mine in the US is under Detroit.


99 posted on 02/22/2009 9:37:12 AM PST by patton (America is born in Iceland, and dies in California)
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To: Shadowstrike
beprepared.com is really, really good.

I love that site. Great customer relations too. I got a year's supply of grains and beans for only $12.95 shipping. They do a great job of pre-packing things for long-term storage. Which is great for a novice like me.
100 posted on 02/22/2009 9:38:20 AM PST by CottonBall
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