[Terabitten]

A couple of guys recommended something in a .223, as if it's really an end of civilization scenario, most of the ammo available will probably be stuff scavanged from NATO or UN sources.

My end-of-civilization rifle is a .223, for exactly that reason.

[Richard Kimball]

You know, what's a little disturbing about this to me is that we're discussing this in the same way as if we were making plans for a camping trip.

We aren't the people who have spent the last thirty years standing on street corners shouting at nobody. We're calm, rational, reasonable people, and we're starting to consider civilization collapse in the same way we've discussed market downturns and foreign affairs in the past. In my mind, it's past "crazy" and "theoretically it could happen" to "it's possible." In some cities, I think it's past "it's possible" to "how soon?"