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To: Gabz
HPV is not a communicable disease in the same way as measles, mumps, or chicken pox are communicable diseases and for that reason alone there should be no mandate for it.

Look, I don't want to get into the whole mandate debate. I will say, however, that approx. 80% of American women are infected with one type of HPV or another in their lifetimes. 50% of these occur within three years of the onset of sexual activity. The time to vaccinate is before women become sexually active, which is why we recommend vaccination at around age 12.

51 posted on 02/17/2009 8:09:55 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: jalisco555
Look, I don't want to get into the whole mandate debate.

That is the primary point of the debate about this vaccine. I have no idea who the "we" you speak of is, but even some of the MDs I've discussed this with who do think it's a good idea for the vaccine before the onset of sexual activity have a huge problem with it being made mandatory.

57 posted on 02/17/2009 8:20:21 AM PST by Gabz
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To: jalisco555

i’m sorry, but this issue shows the degree to which the medical profession has bamboozled itself with the profligacy of the culture at large. Doctors have absolutely no compunction telling people to change their lifestyles to minimize their risks with certain things. Eat less. Exercise more. Stop smoking. Get rid of guns in your house.

Yet strangely, curiously, in the sexual area MDs all of a sudden have no simple lifestyle advice to impart.

“Oh, they’re going to do it anyway” Really? And my 80-year-old grandfather was going to smoke anyway. Didn’t stop his doctor from lecturing him on why he shouldn’t.

But no. Sexual “expression”—and how I loathe that term—is the golden calf of modern America around which everyone must dance. Everything has to be accommodated to it. The MDs prescribe Gardasil rather than tell kids to keep their pants on. The environmentalists would rather see fish populations plummet than have people stop flushing synthetic estrogen into the sewer system. The feminists look the other way as the pornography industry degrades and debases women.

This is a national sickness...a sign of a degenerate society.


64 posted on 02/17/2009 8:31:19 AM PST by Claud
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To: jalisco555

However, if you know your daughters are not sexually active then there is absolutely no reason to vaccinate. I know I have a good 4 years to wait on this vaccine, until my daughters are 16.

I know a lot of people will say that you can’t trust your kids.

Well, I know for a fact my daughters are not having sex. I know I keep good track of my daughters because 1 of them has seizures. My girls are never left alone. They go to a small private Christian school that is highly monitored.

My daughters’ cardiologist agrees that they are not at risk and the benefits of this vaccine do not outweigh the risk. The same cardiologist really pushed the flu vaccine because she was worried about complications from the flu.


92 posted on 02/17/2009 9:08:45 AM PST by luckystarmom
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To: jalisco555

Sure, a large number of people have HPV at some point in their lives (the paper I read said 75%, but what’s 5% one way or another). But it is also true that “In almost all cases, the immune system will keep the virus (including
the cancer-related HPV types) under control or get rid of it completely.!”

Most people get the flu, but most of us don’t get flu shots because we are healthy and our bodies can handle the flu if we get it, so why take the risk.

The question isn’t “how many women get an HPV”, it’s much more complicated:
1) How many women get an HPV that Gardisil would have prevented?

2) How many of those women would NOT be able to fight off the HPV without Gardisil?

3) How many of those infections will lead to cervical cancer?

4) How many of those cervical cancers will be untreatable?

The vaccine has killed 18 women. If the number in 4 isn’t bigger than 18, the vaccine is no good for ANYBODY.

However, the 75% number goes down a lot if you don’t have sex. So if for that subset of the population the number in ‘4’ is very small, the risk isn’t worth the reward.

In the end, the reason we even TOLERATE the medical profession OR the government mandating or even recommending blanket vaccinations is for diseases that you can pick up through no fault of your own, things like chicken-pox, measles, and the like.

These diseases can hit anybody at any time through normal human interaction, so it makes some sense to suggest that every human get vaccinated both to protect themselves, and to keep them from passing the disease on to other people.

HPV is not like that. It spreads through sex, not casual contact.

I’m surprised we haven’t gotten birth control pills mandated yet. But I’m sure Pelosi would be pushing it already, if the abortionists didn’t give her a lot more money than the drug companies. Universal use of the pill would be bad for her “constituents”.


144 posted on 02/17/2009 12:36:10 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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