The object was spotted by the pilot of Olympic Airways flight 266 from Athens, and the sighting was corroborated by staff at Athens Airport and a nearby Greek air force base. Pilots of two other passenger jets also reported seeing the body.The eyewitnesses described it as looking like a large star, although it was moving erratically and constantly changing shape.Two fighter jets were sent to investigate the sighting over the Greek capital in November 2007 but the object shot up into the sky and vanished before they could get a clear view.

THANKS.

INTERESTING.

Here's some excerpts from that article from:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2363-UFO-Examiner~y2009m3d4-Vshaped-UFO-group-low-over-PA

V-shaped UFO group low over PA

March 4, 2:16 PM ·

File photo from photographer Craig Stellmacher.DOYLESTOWN, PA, - Three meandering V-shaped UFOs moved low and silently over this Bucks County town late on March 3. A witness said she saw the first object from inside her home - what looked like two very bright car headlights. Outside as the object flew directly over her back yard, she noticed "mesmerizing" lights on a gray underbelly - strobe-style lights flashing white and blue/green.

As the object passed over her front yard, it gained altitude and was joined by two identical crafts. The woman said the objects were close enough that there should have been the sound of an engine - but that they were silent.

Also on March 3, a witness reported a "massive" UFO over an apartment complex in Ohio, with five white lights and a single red light. The woman said the object was the size of her apartment building or larger.

The complete unedited reports are below as filed with the Mutual UFO Network database.

PA - March 3, 2009 - Saw very bright lights in sky from house window. Went outside and it flew overhead. It was very quiet and had strobe flashing lights on underbelly

I was sitting at my home office desk on the computer and watching TV. It was 11:45 pm and there was a bright moon outside. There is a large window next to my desk with a view of my back yard (about 20 acres). Very bright lights (almost like car high beams) in the sky approaching my house caught my eye (peripheral vision) and I assumed it was a plane but given the late hour and the intensity of the lights, I went out the door next to the window even though it was about 18 degrees outside. I stood outside in awe as the object flew right over my head. It was going relatively slow and was somewhat low and the shape reminded me of a combination of a stealth plane and the concord. The odd thing was how silent it was and how mesmerizing the lights on the gray colored underbelly were. They were like strobe lights flashing lightning fast in a pattern and in white and blue/green I think. A couple of seconds after it passed by, I could hear a low, quiet and steady engine buzzing sound. I was a bit frightened and excited at the same time and recall thinking that this is no plane I have ever seen or heard of -- and I have been to many air shows.

I ran through the house to get to the front door and went outside. I saw it pass over my front yard and gain altitude and then I realized it was meeting up with at least two other identical crafts. Suddenly there were three of them circling around each other in the distance. They were just flying around and periodically passing each other. I woke up my husband to show him and got out my binoculars. I could see that all three crafts were identical with the unique flashing strobe lights. They weaved and circled in no real pattern. When they were coming directly at my house, you could see the bright white "headlights" but when they turned, you could only see the strobe lights. They were close enough that we should have heard the engines if they were regular planes - but it was silent. I watched for a long time (over 30 minutes) as the crafts circled the area. I think they may still be out there in the general area and it is 2:00 am. They are higher in the sky but with the binoculars I can confirm them easily. At this point, I prefer to think that they are gone. I don't think I will be able to sleep tonight.

OH - March 3, 2009 - It was huge, it flew right over my apartment complex. It was bigger than my apartment building!

I had stepped outside onto my patio to smoke a cigarette. I was looking up at the sky, it was a very clear night and the stars were beautiful. As I was looking off into the distance I noticed a flashing light. At first glance it kind of looked like a plane so I was too bothered about it… but when it started to get closer I couldn’t hear it. Now I’m confused. Here is this MASSIVE airplane flying over my apartment complex and it’s completely quiet. At that point I had called for my fiancé to come take a look at this. As it got closer you could CLEARLY see 5 white lights and one lonesome red one. It was eerie… this object with five lights just slowly moved across the sky until it eventually faded out completely. My camera didn’t catch all of the detail I was hoping it might; my camera isn’t the best camera. This object was huge; it was the size of the apartment building I live in (if not bigger). I am thankful that I had enough sense to grab my video camera before the craft disappeared. The duration of this event only lasted about a couple minutes; I caught the first 48 second on film.

Some gleanings from ATS . . .

ABBREVIATED UFO PING LIST PING

the last THIRD of this post may be the most . . . startling and interesting.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread442770/pg1

Undebatable PROOF that we are not being told everything about the moon

A lot of people have alot of different theories about the moon,

We never went there,
We went there, found aliens, afraid to go back
We went there, OFFICIAL STORY,
We were going there before and after we publicly went
We’ve been going there in private to mine
Our ‘secret space agency’ is going there all the time yada yada...

No matter what theory you prescribe to, it makes no difference. We live in a world where you can zoom in on your house, from an image taken from space. In fact, anyone can zoom in to almost anywhere on this planet. Most of it anyways, other than some censored areas. The fact is we can do this.

Now when trying to figure out whether your being told the whole truth about something, its important to not only look at what is being told to you, but also what is not being told/shown.

If someone has nothing to hide, why not do everything they can to disclose everything they know?

I want everyone to go to google moon. www.google.com...

Keep in mind, we have the ability to map every square inch of earth. And of course, just as easily we could map EVERY square inch of the moon fairly easily.

Does anyone not see how significant it is that they only show us a very small spot on the moon? Not only that, if all these artifacts that we apparently left behind up there existed, why wont they let us ZOOM RIGHT INTO THE MOON? I can zoom in so close to my house I can see my car, yet I am not allowed to see up close on the moon? The fact that they could show us every inch of the moon, but intentionally do not highlights the fact that we are NOT being told exactly whats going on on the moon.

Now I think this is important because it doesn’t matter what side of the debate you prefer, the fact that we aren’t shown a thing is proof of a conspiracy.

So for all those who feel that NASA is an upfront, angelic organization out there for the betterment of space travel... your wrong.

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UFOs, the media, and escalating coverage

We have probably all noticed the level of interest in the UFO phenomena has increased across all media channels over the last year. Living in the UK, you can’t help but notice that The Sun (daily, tabloid) has been running an amazing number of UFO stories. Some reports are very good, and some are more far-fetched and quirky.

Why all of this increase in media interest? I don’t know the answer, but I do know that by looking at statistics we can develop evidence of these trends. I present to you:

Google Trends

On Google, the volume of searches has been reasonably consistent over the last few years, but the volume of news articles carried has risen very quickly.

What does that tell us?

It tells us that whilst there hasn’t been any appreciable change in levels of interest, the media have seen fit to ramp up coverage by three figure percentage points.

This could be for one of two reasons.

a) The media have identified a demand from their audience that was never before recognised, and have scaled up coverage to meet demand.
b) The media see some material benefit in greater exposure of this particular topic, regardless of demand.

Should governments around the world be aware of a genuine ET presence on or around earth, any disclosure would invariably be trialled and instigated through a steady drip-drip in the media.

I would like to ask those on ATS who are of a statistical mind to help try and demonstrate the increasing relevance of this topic to the media, through statistics and other direct evidence.

Thanks,

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GOOGLE TRENDS LINK:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=ufo&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0
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Part 2: CIA, UFOs and Hollywood

THE GUARDIAN

“If you’ve got government agencies working in Hollywood covertly to improve their own images, that’s not only a bad use of funds, it’s also fundamentally anti-Democratic and wrong.” - Matthew Alford, Ph.D.

“The Deep Politics of Hollywood,” a 3-part article by Matthew Alford and Robbie Graham.
Only Part 1 was accepted for publication by The Guardian on November 14, 2008, after editors
changed the original title, “Spooks and the Silver Screen,” to “An Offer They Couldn’t Refuse.”

Return to Part 1

December 22, 2008 Bristol, England - On December 17, 2008, Earthfiles reported an interview with Robbie Graham about a November 14, 2008, co-authored article in Britain’s The Guardian that was the first part of a three-part series. Robbie’s writing partner is Matthew Alford, Ph.D., who earned his degree in 2008, from the University of Bath focused on Film and Propaganda. Matthew is now a lecturer in film at the University of Bristol’s Department of Drama: Theater, Film and Television. His Ph.D. thesis was entitled, “A Propaganda Model for Hollywood?

Representations of American Foreign Policy in Contemporary Films.” Matthew is also author of a forthcoming book, Projecting Power: American Foreign Policy and the Hollywood Propaganda System.

Matthew Alford, Ph.D., Lecturer in Film, Dept. of Drama:
Theater, Film and Television, Univ. of Bristol, Bristol, in South West England.

Matthew Alford, Ph.D., Lecturer in Film, Dept. of Drama: Theater, Film and Television, University of Bristol, Bristol, in South West England: “My work focuses on the relationship between Washington, D. C. and Hollywood and looks at what kind of political content is in films produced from 1990 to the present day, plus some historic classics, and what kind of content they have had politically. I found that all of the films I researched pretty much without exception presented American foreign policy in very benign terms, presenting America as a good power and also as an entity that used force appropriately. When America did use force, it was effective and lead to peace, democracy and security. So, that was my initial research looking at all these films about what kind of content they had.

Then I asked myself what would cause that? Why is Hollywood so de-radicalized in its approach to American foreign policy. Why is it basically very positive about American power. I found a lot of things about American society and western society in general that meant these films would be de-radicalized. One of those is the influence of the Department of Defense, the CIA and other agencies.

WHAT IS STRONGEST EVIDENCE YOU HAVE FOUND OF CIA INFLUENCE THROUGH HOLLYWOOD FILMS?

The strongest evidence that the CIA influences Hollywood films is from its own records and its own admission. The CIA has been very clear that since 1996, it set up its own official entertainment industry liaison, the CIA’s own office that contacts and maintains relationships with Hollywood producers. Whenever different films are made, filmmakers often come to the CIA and ask for advice. That’s just clear. It’s even clear in a CIA website search of CIA and Hollywood.

The way the CIA presents that, though, is to say, ‘We’re just providing advice and nothing more.’ For instance, on the film, Meet the Parents with Robert De Niro, the CIA can say, ‘We showed them how a lie detector works for that particular scene in the film.’ That’s a benign example.

But we can make a pretty good guess from history that the CIA’s relationship with Hollywood that the CIA is making rather more serious alterations, changes and requests in movies. For instance, we have a film like Animal Farm from the 1950s, which was backed by the CIA and provided with at least several hundred thousand dollars by the CIA and distributed by the U. S. Information Agency (USIA), which is closely connected to the CIA. That film was anti-Communist propaganda. That comes from lots of research on the internal record. That’s also the case with the original George Orwell 1984 film, again from the mid-1950s.

Also, the original film of The Quiet American from 1958. Edward Lansdale, a famed CIA operative whose life was a model for the CIA character in the film, contacted the film’s director by letter and asked for certain changes to be made, which were then done. In the feature film version, because of Edward Lansdale’s intervention, his character is changed from being a manufacturer of plastic explosives, which he distributes in order to stoke up a fascist force in Indochina, to being a manufacturer of plastic children’s toys. This completely contradicted the anti-war intent of Graham Greene’s original novel. That’s why Greene denounced the film as propaganda.

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THE RESPONSE DELAY INDICATES THE SUBJECTS YOU ARE INQUIRING ABOUT ARE HOT BUTTONS IN THE FOIA SYSTEM?

Yes, that would be an inference we could make. It does seem suspicious that we haven’t received any reply about these FOIA requests, particularly the really simple ones. I am so frustrated that the CIA press department has not got back to me at all and I ended up writing a one-line letter just saying, ‘Could you tell me how many people work in your office?’ I figured that’s the kind of question and answer they can’t actually say, ‘This is taking a long time to find the answer to your inquiry because there are so many documents to go through.’
All they have to do is count their staff and reply! But I haven’t had any answer to that question either.

So, whether that’s indication of conspiracy or simply that they are not interested in actually being genuine with the Freedom of Information process, I don’t know.

YOU ARE TRYING TO GET A COPY OF THE NASA 20-PAGE LETTER TO STEVEN SPIELBERG, CORRECT?

That’s right. I’ve gotten an automated response from NASA, which said, ‘We’re looking into your inquiry.’ But nothing more has emerged. The delay could simply be a bureaucratic thing. I certainly would not leap to any conclusions at this point that it’s a sign that authorities are covering something up, but it’s certainly a frustration for me, the researcher! At least it shows, I think, they are not that keen on spending a great deal of time and resources on providing information that might show the CIA and NASA worlds in a bad light. That’s not surprising. It’s just the way powerful systems work.

Beyond “The Lies Are Out There”

BEYOND THE GUARDIAN’S NOVEMBER 14, 2008, PUBLICATION OF YOUR DEEP POLITICS OF HOLLYWOOD: PART 1 - SPOOKS AND THE SILVER SCREEN, WHAT ARE YOUR OTHER PARTS 2 AND 3?

The Guardian changed our ‘Spooks’ title to ‘An Offer They Couldn’t Refuse,’ a title Robbie and I don’t completely understand.

Then the next two parts under the overall title, ‘The Deep Politics of Hollywood’ are 2) the UFO focused one, ‘The Lies Are Out There;’ and 3) ‘In the Parents’ Best Interests’ about Hollywood as a system where the power is in the parent companies that own Hollywood studios. In the popular imagination, when we think of Hollywood, we think of 20th Century Fox, Universal, MGM and so on. We think of those as being the studios that control the movie-making. But in this modern world, each of those studios has a corporate owner that is a multi-billion dollar corporation with a vast array of interests.

So, what Robbie Graham and I asked ourselves: If the parent companies such as Viacom, Disney and so on have other business interests – maybe even selling military arms, for instance – or if the corporations have close relationships with the government of the day, might self-interest skew the content of any given film in a studio owned by the parent company? In other words, content with an ideological take could be provided by the corporate owners.

Parent Corporations of Hollywood Studios

It’s our theory so far because it’s even harder to get information in documents and memos from a corporation than it is from the CIA, which is at least nominally accountable. Corporations are not accountable to anyone except their shareholders. So, I think we are trying to highlight where there have been Hollywood films that have had a great difficulty being released.

For instance, the film Medium Cool, which was directed by Haskell Wexler in 1969. Wexler had considerable trouble releasing the movie, which was about anti-war protests at the Democratic convention in 1968. Wexler learned a few years later after FOIA was available that on the eve of Medium Cool’s release, the Mayor of Chicago and other Democratic players contacted Gulf and Western - then the parent company of Paramount Studios - that if Medium Cool was released then certain tax benefits and other perks in Gulf and Western’s favor would not happen.

[MORE AT THE LINK—NOT BEHIND SUBSCRIBER WALL AT PRESENT, IT SEEMS]

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Part 6: Insights from An Experiencer
with Greys and Blond Humanoids

“Past the 2008 presidential election, in the black cube
I saw that things are quite a mess for two or three years. Then something happens
around 2012 and it all goes quiet.” - Arizona Abductee

Return to: Part 1

July 13, 2008 Phoenix, Arizona -

Interview with William continued:

“SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO HAPPEN THE REST OF 2008 AND 2009 AND BEYOND?

I think after the next President comes into the U. S., that’s when things are going to change dramatically. That president will step in and join the fight on the Israeli side. Whoever Israel is up against is a common enemy.

DOES THE UNITED STATES LAUNCH NUCLEAR MISSILES?

I don’t think so, not from here. But I think things happen here that are not good.

EXPLOSIONS BY ENEMY TERRORISTS THAT ARE BLOWING THINGS UP?

Right.

THEN MARTIAL LAW GETS PUT IN PLACE? DID YOU SEE ANY FURTHER INTO THE FUTURE?

Past the 2008 presidential election, in the black cube I saw that things are quite a mess for two or three years. Then something happens around 2012 and it all goes quiet.

WHAT WERE YOU SEEING IN THE BLACK CUBE?

I saw lots of people without homes. That’s happening now, but I saw a lot of people without homes. Like you would expect to see people living in tent cities, but they weren’t tents even. I saw a lot of people in a very desperate situation.

Then I saw others who were not. And these people were being well cared for and taken care of. It was like society had divided into two separate cultures and there were those in the United States living more like in a Third World country who didn’t have the things they need. And then, there was the upper class that had all the things they needed. The two types of social classes were not allowed to mingle. They were kept apart.

THAT WOULD OCCUR BY WHAT YEAR, DO YOU THINK?

By late 2010.

International Airline Travel Ends?

The other thing I saw was that travel between countries pretty much came to a stop. You don’t do it unless you have a reason to. There were several countries that polarized themselves against ours and did not want us there. So, the list of places you could go to had actually diminished and where you could go, it might not be safe for you to be there.

Disease Spreads Globally?

I saw there were diseases and these diseases were very fast. It diminished the populations of the poor and hit some of the rich as well.

WHAT KIND OF DISEASE?

I don’t know except like the flu. When there have been reports about the bird flu, I thought maybe that’s what this was that I had seen. But I don’t know.

[ Editor’s Note: World Health Organization (W.H.O.) first reported in September 1996 a “highly pathogenic H5N1 avian virus was isolated from a farm goose in Guangdong Province, China. By 1997, H5N1 outbreaks were reported in poultry farms and live animal markets in Hong Kong, China.”

Then came disturbing news that there were “human infections with avian influenza in Hong Kong. Altogether, 18 cases (6 fatal) were reported in the first known instance of human infection by the H5N1 virus.” The implication was that the avian flu virus was able to jump from animals to humans. The biggest fear was that the virus would mutate to go from human-to-human in a worldwide pandemic equivalent to the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic that killed millions of people around the world.

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WHAT HAPPENS FOR EVERYTHING TO GO QUIET? WHAT DID YOU SEE IN THE BLACK CUBE?

It’s like everything became exhausted. I don’t know if these diseases caused such a problem and that’s why there were so few people? I don’t know if something happened to the world’s food supply? But the conflict increased to an intense point and then it just all went quiet. There were places were there were people, but they weren’t worried, they weren’t hurting. They were fine. And these were places that were quite remote. The places where the cities were looked a mess. But in the other places where it was quiet, it was very nice.

2012 to 2052

Then the world started changing again. There were issues that took place over the next forty years or so. Then after that, it seems like the chaos works itself out and goes even quieter all over the world – there weren’t as many people or problems. There was an understanding that we humans should never do this again. And it was remembered that way.

DID YOU SEE ANY DISCS, CIGARS OR TRIANGLES OR OTHER AERIAL CRAFT IN THE SKIES OF THE WORLD INSIDE THE BLACK CUBE?

No, I never saw any of those. No UFOs, nothing.

SO FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, YOU DON’T THINK THAT ZO OR ANYBODY IS GOING TO INTERRUPT, INTERFERE WITH DEVASTATING NUCLEAR CHAOS AND STOP IT BEFORE IT BEGINS?

The alien interference was something I was really concerned about because I was wondering if they would actually do something to keep this from occurring. Apparently, there is chaos going on in the other side of this imaginary fence (from Earth) that Zo’s people are on. There are those wanting to let this thing play out the way that it will and there are those who want to keep it from happening. And the ones that are wanting to let it play out are saying, ‘If we don’t let it play itself out now, it will just keep going this way.’

Then there are the others that say if we can just keep the collapse at bay as long as we can, humans will evolve to a point where they will understand this is not how you conduct yourself in a planetary society.

So, you’ve got that conflict going on and I don’t know that one side is more right than the other. But I know there is that conflict out there. It’s not so much heated arguments as much as the rationale between one group versus another.

What is the Tau Ceti Vested Interest in Earth?

IF ZO IS FROM TAU CETI AND HAS SOME VESTED INTEREST IN THE EARTH, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT VESTED INTEREST IS IN THE EARTH?

Apparently we humans and Zo’s people come from the same place. They just want us to catch up so we can re-establish the relationship that we used to have as two planetary civilizations.

Other Non-Human Species Using Earth

WHAT IS THE TAU CETI PERSPECTIVE ON THE GREYS AND THE STANDING UP LIZARDS?

They told me and showed me the standing up lizard people are dangerous. They are very smart and to be very careful around them. As far as the greys go, they showed me two or three different versions of them. The ones that are more bluish-white looking are the ones the Tau Cetians work with. They have an affiliation, like they are friends.

THE BLUISH-WHITE WOULD BE TALL, SHORT, WHAT?

The bluish-white are two sizes. Some of them are tall and some of them are short – short meaning 4-feet-tall roughly. The tall ones are 6 feet tall.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE THE TALL BLUE-WHITES COME FROM?

They come from the same area of stars that Tau Ceti is in. I’m thinking it was Epsilon Eridani that they told me these folks come from. But I don’t know absolutely. I know there are not any humans on Epsilon Eridani and I’m pretty sure that’s where the tall and short bluish-white beings originate.

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QX: MAYBE MORE SHORTLY,

MORE FROM EARTHFILES:

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1444&category=Real+X-Files

THIS ONE IS BEHIND THE SUBSCRIBER WALL

THE SANDY-HAIRED TAU CETIANS ARE ALLIED WITH THE EPSILON ERIDANIS. WHAT MORE DID ZO SHARE ABOUT WHY THE STANDING UP LIZARDS ARE DANGEROUS?

He just said they would eat us. They would enslave us, use us for whatever tasks they might need us for. They have no perception of what it means to be hurt, the way we humans experience pain and mistreatment and that they would eat us. They would actually farm to collect babies to eat them.

DID HE SHOW YOU ANY PICTURES?

Yeah, because apparently they have done this in other parts of the galaxy.

THAT COULD EXPLAIN SOME OF THE HUMAN ABDUCTION DRAWINGS OF ALL THE FOETUSES INSIDE OF CONTAINERS?

That’s what came to mind, but there is another thing that’s going on as well because there is another race that’s involved and they are not even affiliated with the lizards. What these others are doing is harvesting from Earth to populate other worlds to do their work for them.

WHICH ONES ARE THEY?

THOSE ARE THE STRIEBER GREYS VERSUS THE PEAR-HEADED EXTRATERRESTRIAL BIOLOGIAL ENTITIES, OR EBENS? AND YOU’RE SAYING THE POINTY CHIN ONES ARE INVOLVED WITH ANIMAL MUTILATIONS AND OTHER GENETIC HARVESTS?

There’s also another race that look like black hairy things, but they are pretty damn smart and these guys are scary.

WHAT DO THEY WANT?

The black hairy ones are as advanced as Strieber greys. They are both involved together to harvest and create biospheres on other planets where they can use harvested people to do work. The harvesters adapt the humans to the atmosphere and climate of other planets.

THE HUMANS ARE USED AS SLAVES OR ANDROIDS?

They are still humans with souls, intelligence and ability, but their life span has been restricted and their ability to know more has been completely squelched. And one of the things I was told is that had happened here on Earth before.

We had evolved as a species and started evolving out of that and caused the harvesters to leave. The harvesters left long enough that we humans evolved out of that slave state to a degree and started looking into greater and greater abilities within ourselves.

YOU MEAN THAT THE BLACK HAIRY ONES AND THE GREYS WITH THE POINTED CHINS LEFT THE EARTH FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME?

Yeah, they did. It was apparently quite a long time ago because when they came back, that’s when they had to start using fear tactics to control the human population, to knock the population down so they could then go in and start doing the harvesting activities they had been doing previously.

Zo showed me was that there was a period of time in Europe that mankind had reached a pinnacle and was about to make the next dramatic evolutionary step with science, art and philosophy. That’s another point where the bad ones came in and wiped out the population with the Black Plague and then they went into the churches and started getting everyone rounded up and thinking in a certain direction.

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WHEN YOU SAY ‘THEY,’ YOU MEAN?

The pointed chin greys and the black hairy ones.

SO THEY ARE THE ONES BEHIND THE GREEN FOG AND PLAGUE THAT WIPED OUT A THIRD OF THE EUROPEAN POPULATION IN THE 1300S?

Right, because that was the technological powerhouse of the world at the time and that was about to spread all over the world. Then the plague happened and it went into a very dark time. Then the church became the strength and the power simultaneously and that’s when it all changed because at that point forward, that’s when world domination was starting to take over again.

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If we, as a human species, were to advance past a certain point at that juncture in Earth history, I guess they were afraid we would then see who they really were. They had not made much mystery about the fact they were here.

THESE THEN WERE THE DEVILS OF HISTORY?

Yeah, exactly, and people would wake up to that and then there would be trouble for them. Instead, it was all thrown back into a pit full of myth and weak belief structures.

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More Confirmation of May 1974 Discs in Albuquerque
and Huge Cylinder Craft At White Sands Proving Ground.

“This 4,000-foot-long object was tubular in shape and had windows
running down its sides. And there were beings inside looking out!”
- Randal Hecker, 1974 NICAP investigator
and Albuquerque law enforcement

Return to: 3-Part Earthfiles with Paul McKeever, His Mom and Aunt

December 11, 2007 Albuquerque, New Mexico - The National Investigations Committee On Aerial Phenomenon, also known as NICAP, reported in its July “UFO INVESTIGATOR” newsletter that discs had been seen close-up near the ground in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

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RECENT SIGHTINGS REPORTED IN NEW MEXICO

On May 28, 1974 a resident of Albuquerque, New Mexico, was awakened to see a large glowing object moving across the western face of the Sandia Mountains. It was so bright that no discernable structure could be seen. The witness opened his window to listen for noise coming from the object; there was none. As he watched, the object appeared to land on a nearby hill where it remained for over an hour before it shot into the air and vanished. A NICAP member was contacted and is investigating this incident. [page 3 July 197 issue of NICAP’s UFO INVESTIGATOR

A short time later a housewife noticed from her kitchen window an object cruising on a northerly course over the low hills behind their home. She called to her husband to witness the phenomenon and when he arrive[d] from the front of the house, the vehicle had changed course and was flying easterly at about two thousand feet. The couple told a NICAP reporter that they believed the craft was flat, “like viewing a coin on end,” and approximately fifty to seventyfive feet in diameter. It was construccted of a grayish material that did not reflect the afternoon sunlight. The object displayed a distinct whirling motion as it rotated about its central axis. This observation lasted about one minute.

NICAP reporters noted that the day of the sighting was warm and clear; visibility was unlimited. A check was made with the county police about further reports, but none were made.

[retyped from the photo images at the LMH EARTHFILES LINK ABOVE by Quix]

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In 1974, the NICAP investigator who contributed the above information also worked as an undercover detective for the Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Department in Albuquerque. Randal Hecker is now retired and living in Gunnison, Colorado. Mr. Hecker also ran into blocking cards in the Albuquerque newspaper files and began our interview with events he learned off the record from Kirtland AFB sources about other disc-related events before May 28, 1974.

Interview:

Randal Hecker, former NICAP investigator, 1974 - 1980; organized crime undercover investigator, Bernalillo County Sheriff’s Office, Albuquerque, 1974; EMP Paramedic in New Mexico, 1977-1991; now retired in Gunnison, Colorado:

May 17, 1974

“COULD YOU GO TO MAY 17, 1974, AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND WAS A CRASH AND RETRIEVAL BY KIRTLAND AFB OF SOME KIND OF DISC FROM CHILILI, NEW MEXICO, IN THE MANZANO MOUNTAINS?

I worked with a number of people at Kirtland AFB and Sandia Base on a ‘no name’ basis (confidentiality). I convinced them I would never reveal their names and I never have. So, they were willing to supply information. And one of my sources told me that an object had crashed west of Chilili during that time period of May 17, 1974, and that Kirtland AFB personnel had recovered it. It was flown back to Kirtland AFB by a couple of helicopters with very large wires suspending the disc between the copters.

THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THAT AT NIGHT, WOULDN’T THEY?

Yes, the removal was done at night.

IS THERE ANYBODY YOU HAVE TALKED TO, FIRST, SECOND OR THIRD HAND, WHO HAS GIVEN YOU DETAILS ABOUT WHAT PRECISELY TIME OF DAY THE DISC CRASHED IN CHILILI AND WHAT HAPPENED?

If I remember correctly, I believe it was an afternoon crash. It was picked up on radar. Air Force helicopters were in the air very quickly after it crashed. A source told me there seemed to be a magnetic anomaly in the Manzano Mountains that affected some discs back then.

The military originally took over old Manzano Mountain gold mines that were there because a whole bunch of gold was taken out of that mountain. The government just moved in and said ‘Eminent Domain,’ chased everyone out and put nuclear weapons in there. But then they expanded from there, so now a great deal of the Coyote test facility is underground. I’ve seen part of it from the air. It is big! And it has a lot of things in Coyote Canyon that are very highly classified.

AND MIGHT INCLUDE A RETRIEVED DISC OR TWO?

Definitely. There’s a door there that opens up and is horizontal that I’ve flown over twice. It’s almost 150 feet across. They say it’s for testing lasers.

WHY WOULD THEY NEED A 150-FOOT-WIDE DOOR TO TEST LASERS?

I have no idea.

May 19, 1974

“There was a sighting that began around May 19, 1974, that involved twelve glowing objects passing from south to north over Albuquerque. They were not bright objects, but they were circular and they triggered a magnetic detector as they passed over the northeastern part of Albuquerque. My source, hearing the magnetic detector go off, went outside to watch and he saw the objects pass overhead.

May 28, 1974

OK, LET’S MOVE TO MAY 28, 1974. COULD YOU START BY DETAILING THE EVENTS THAT MORNING THAT WERE IN NICAP’s UFO INVESTIGATOR?

First around 2 AM, a man had just gotten home from a late night job to an east-facing apartment near the Sandia foothills. He wondered what the light was shining in his window from above. At first, he thought it was what was called the ‘505 Police’ airplane. So he got up and looked outside. Instead of an airplane, he saw this large object in the sky. He walked out into the yard and watched it set down in the Sandia hills and stay there for a long time. He did not see anybody surround it. He did not see anybody else go up there. But he said it was on the ground for about 90 minutes before it took off to the south.

Later, after the sun was up, an aerial object shaped “like viewing a coin on end” was seen by a woman washing dishes. She called her husband out and they watched the odd aerial object together. In the sky, the object moved north and then turned to the east following Tijeras Canyon (not far from Chilili and Coyote Canyon). During that time, they did not hear any unusual sound. There were no jet aircraft in the air going after it, either.

WASN’T THAT THE EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT WHERE THEY COULD SEE THE DISC SPINNING AROUND A CENTRAL CORE?

Yes, they could see it spinning and wobbling gently as it moved along. Then it turned and followed I-40 (which divides the Sandias from the Manzano Mountains).

WHAT THIS UNDERSCORES IS THAT ON THE MORNING OF MAY 28, 1974, IN THE SANDIA HILLS REGION ON THE EASTERN OUTSKIRTS OF ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO, AT LEAST THREE RESIDENTS WERE SEEING DISC-SHAPED OBJECTS THAT WERE HOVERING OR ON THE GROUND OR MOVING AND WOBBLING.

Yes.

WAS THE DISC HANGING AROUND BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME KIND OF MEETING WITH MILITARY AGENCIES OR SOMEBODY FROM KIRTLAND AFB, AS WE NOW KNOW HAD OCCURRED IN APRIL 1964, DOWN IN HOLLOMAN AFB, NEW MEXICO?

“Big Blue” At Kirtland AFB

This is something I cannot confirm, but I was told by one of my military sources at the time that there was an object, which they had learned how to reverse-engineer from crashed spacecraft that they affectionately called ‘Big Blue’ that was coming into Kirtland AFB at that time for new pilots to load on for training purposes.

NEW PILOTS TO LOAD ON?

Yes, for training purposes so they could learn how to fly it.

YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT TO MEAN AMERICAN PILOTS?

Well, I asked my source if he meant that extraterrestrials landed there? He said, ‘No, no, they are Air Force guys.’

PAUL MC KEEVER SAID THAT ALL THE MILITARY SECURITY RINGING THAT DISC WERE FACING IT WITH M-16S AND THAT EVERYONE WAS ABOUT 50 FEET AWAY FROM THE DISC AS IF THEY WERE ON GUARD. THAT DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THE SO-CALLED ‘BIG BLUE.’

No, it doesn’t and we may very well be talking about different things.

SO YOU MIGHT NOT EVEN HAVE ANY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT OCCURRED THERE AT 9 PM ON MAY 28, 1974?

I may not because the witness I talked to said it was about 2 AM. So, we’re looking at a repeat (of discs hanging around the Sandias from early morning to night on May 28, 1974.)

DID the 2 AM DISC ALSO SEEM TO BE GLOWING AND HOVERING?

Yes.

WHEN IT TOOK OFF, WHAT DID IT DO?

It headed to the south at a fairly low altitude over the southern end of Albuquerque and went over the Manzano Mountains over the nuclear facilities there (inside the Coyote Canyon E.R.D.A. nuclear storage and Lurance Canyon burn sites).

Hecker Found Albuquerque Newspaper
Censorship About Nuclear Events

WHAT WAS THE MOST DRAMATIC EVENT IN 1974 THAT YOU PERSONALLY INVESTIGATED?

Oh, golly, there were so many! There was so much going on at that time. But I would say that the most dramatic event was that I had full access to the Albuquerque Journal/Tribune morgue files at the newspapers. But by 1978, it was all cut off. All my access to the Sheriff’s Department, to the Police Department and all my sources at the military went silent. So, in their opinion, something happened.

WHAT YOU MEAN IS THAT IN 1974, YOU WERE STILL ABLE TO ACCESS FILES SUCH AS THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL ON EVENTS...

Yes.

...BUT FOUR YEARS LATER IN 1978, THERE WERE BLACK OUTS ON SOME STORIES AND ALL SOURCES WERE CUT OFF?

Yes.

HAD YOU EVER FOUND BLOCKING CARDS IN THE ALBUQUERQUE NEWSPAPERS BEFORE?

I found a couple that blocked nuclear stuff out at Sandia Base that turned up in other newspapers. And I found some that blocked Russian nuclear developments that turned up in other newspapers. So, I can’t tell you – it might have just been the stuff going on at Sandia Base, which is where we developed part of our nuclear facilities.

BUT RANDY, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS, THAT THERE WAS OBVIOUSLY A HABIT AT THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL/TRIBUNE TO BLOCK OUT DATA, ESPECIALLY RELATED TO SANDIA AND NUCLEAR EVENTS. THAT IMPLIES THAT SOMEBODY WAS SAYING, ‘PUT A BLOCKING CARD.’

Yes, that’s the way it appears. I just figured it was the government silencing everything.

4,000-Foot-Long Cylinder At White Sands in 1955

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OK, the San Andreas Mountains form the west side of the White Sands Missile Range in southern New Mexico. On the east side of the San Andreas Mountains, there is a big canyon. You can see it from a long ways off. In the summer of 1955 (June to July), radar detected a very large object swiftly going into this canyon.

At first, they thought it was a meteor because it was so fast. So, they sent out a patrol of military police to find it and see if they could dig up a meteor. Instead, what they found was an object sitting in this canyon that stretched from one side of the canyon to the other at points the object just about touched. They later measured it was 4,000 feet long.

THAT’S MORE THAN HALF A MILE!

I know. This 4,000-foot-long object was tubular in shape and had windows running down its sides. And there were beings inside looking out! The MPs took a number of close-up photographs, hauled the film in, and all over the missile range, theodolite cameras were set up in front of radar scopes to try to image this thing. Very shortly thereafter, it climbed into outer space at about 10 mph. So, White Sands got a huge amount of pictures, both theodolite and radar scope pictures.

[ Editor’s Note: Wikipedia - “A theodolite is an instrument for measuring both horizontal and vertical angles, as used in triangulation networks. It is a key tool in surveying and engineering work, but theodolites have been adapted for other specialized purposes in fields like meteorology and rocket launch technology. A modern theodolite consists of a telescope mounted movably within two perpendicular axes, the horizontal or trunnion axis, and the vertical axis. When the telescope is pointed at a desired object, the angle of each of these axes can be measured with great precision, typically on the scale of arcseconds.”

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The relationship with the United States government, I believe, is fairly simple to look at. In WWII and 1947 when discs started to crash, the government looked at this as a big means of getting ahead of the Russians. So, they classified everything on an absolute Need To Know basis to give them technology that would give them an edge over the Russians. But at the time, they did not realize that the Russians were also getting crashed objects. I don’t believe the objects were crashes. I believe they were implants (planned crashes) to get us to work with the aliens, to get the Earth to open up to what they wanted to do. And to get our governments to make relationships with the aliens on their terms.

WHAT TERMS DO YOU THINK THEY WANT?

Well, they obviously want to do some form of hybridization with human beings. For what purposes? I don’t know. But all the abductions certainly hint in that direction. And then there are all the animal mutilations, which as you wrote long ago, are “a strange harvest” of genetic material.

DO YOU HAVE ANY INTUITIVE SENSE ABOUT WHAT THE HYBRIDIZATION PROGRAM WOULD BE FOR?

My intuitive sense is that they might be trying to bring something out that can’t be here right now – might be trying to make a physical body for something that can’t come here at the moment.

DO YOU THINK ALL THE FACTS AND TRUTH SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC?

Absolutely! I do believe at this point, we can deal with it. For a long time, I did not think we could. But I believe right now in the 21st Century that we can deal with it as a race.

AND WE CERTAINLY DESERVE TO KNOW THE FACTS THAT OUR OWN SO-CALLED REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT KNOWS.

Absolutely, in more areas than just this. Something was proposed to me once: What would you do if a UFO landed on the White House lawn? How would we handle it? Well, the first thing that would happen is security would grab it. The second thing that would happen is that the government would classify it. The third thing that would happen is the president would deny it. And they would do that not only to us, but to everyone else (on Earth) because they would not want to know that by chance we had a slight edge over them (rest of world). In the process, the government makes enemies out of potential friends, they turn America against itself, and they develop a government, which is almost conspiratorial for the people it represents.

ESSENTIALLY IT IS A GOVERNMENT OF LIES THAT KEEPS LYING TO PERPETUATE LIES.

Absolutely. The UFO technology has given us a tremendous monetary system to a few people – particularly so if it’s true that we have developed our own spacecraft in that area. Power, money – you get something that’s like 1,000 years ahead of everybody else – that’s money! That’s money beyond the comprehension of most Americans and it’s eventually going to go into somebody’s hands who is going to do anything in the world they can to keep it coming.

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