Posted on 02/10/2009 4:03:18 AM PST by JoeProBono
The object was spotted by the pilot of Olympic Airways flight 266 from Athens, and the sighting was corroborated by staff at Athens Airport and a nearby Greek air force base. Pilots of two other passenger jets also reported seeing the body.The eyewitnesses described it as looking like a large star, although it was moving erratically and constantly changing shape.Two fighter jets were sent to investigate the sighting over the Greek capital in November 2007 but the object shot up into the sky and vanished before they could get a clear view.
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That’s what I thought.
Y’all can click on the link at the top left for a larger view, I think:
I don't mind eating cute things, as long as they tatse good.
Of course, I am a functioning psychopath.
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Yeh, I thought about adding a pic of a cute thing but decided I didn’t want to deal with the mods today.
HOW’D YOU DO THAT! ???
I actually tried to figure out a way with that one.
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But folks may miss that the structure on the left is a full sized house.
More gleanings from earthfiles.com
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Updated: O'Hare UFO Eyewitness Says Disc Spun Counterclockwise
© 2007 by Linda Moulton Howe
"I got the sense the craft was rotating somewhat rapidly
in a counterclockwise motion. ... the object looked more to me like the cell phone photograph (disc in upper right of photo and O’Hare Airport in bottom left with angled horizon)." - Jane Doe, O'Hare UFO Eyewitness
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Part 1: Eyewitness Links Animal Mutilations to Non-Humans
© 2007 by Linda Moulton Howe
"It's like a spotlight shining down on the back of my car.
... I can see an animal being taken up in this."
- Judy Doraty, Houston, Texas
April 18, 2007 Albuquerque, New Mexico - I think what persuaded me to seriously consider that extraterrestrials might actually be the worldwide mutilators of cattle, horses, goats, sheep, pigs, rabbits, cats, dogs and wild animals such as deer and elk was an "eyewitness" named Judy Doraty. I qualify "eyewitness" because the information was gained through hypnosis. However, Judy's story began in full consciousness with four other family members.
On a clear moonlit night in May 1973, Judy was driving back from a bingo game in Houston, Texas. She and her mother, her teenage daughter, Cindy, her sister-in-law and brother-in-law watched a bright light hover in the sky. The family argued about what it could be. Judy's brother-in-law thought it was a helicopter going to the Galveston airport. But Judy was not sure. Finally, after the light stayed with them for several miles, she pulled the car over to the side of the road near a pasture. She got out and walked to the back of the car.
At that point, she and her family simultaneously lost time. It was as if everyone were put in suspended animation. When Judy got back into the car, she was thirsty and nauseous. She complained to her family that she did not feel well, but no one was aware there was lost time until they arrived home later than expected. Waiting for them were worried relatives who had been baby sitting young children.
After that night, Judy suffered from terrible headaches and anxiety. In 1978, she underwent her first hypnosis session with a medical doctor. That session brought out part of her suppressed experience, but not all of it.
Sometime after that hypnosis session, she recalled a strange face, drew it and mailed the sketch to Leo Sprinkle, Ph.D., then Director of Counseling and Testing at the University of Wyoming in Laramie. He was one of the few professionals at the time trying to help people who had encountered UFOs and experienced missing time. Dr. Sprinkle showed me a copy of the sketch.
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QUIX NOTE: THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE HYPNOSIS THERAPY SESSION AT THE LINK SHOULD PUT TO REST ALL THE NONSENSE ABOUT HYPNOSIS BEING UTTERLY USELESS OR LEADING THE PERSON ETC.
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Part 2: Eyewitness Links Animal Mutilations to Non-Humans
© 2007 by Linda Moulton Howe
"There's tissue. It's laid out nice and smooth. It glistens.
And there's needles in it ... And the same thing with
what appears to be testicles." - Judy Doraty, Houston, Texas
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April 19, 2007 Albuquerque, New Mexico - Continuation of the complete transcript of March 13, 1980, hypnosis session with Judy Doraty for my KMGH-TV documentary special, A Strange Harvest, which was broadcast for the first time on May 25, 1980.
[ See documentary in Earthfiles Shop.] Hypnosis was done by Leo Sprinkle, Ph.D., Director of Counseling and Testing, University of Wyoming, Laramie, Wyoming.
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More Ohio Eyewitnesses See Glowing “Pod” Rise Up to Triangle
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“The closer the glowing pod got (to the triangle craft),
you could see there was a bottom surface between the three bright
circular lights - a dark, charcoal grey or black - that had a rough
texture like burnt aluminum foil all crumpled up and you straighten it out.”
- Sarah, Security Guard, Empire and Stratton, Ohio
. . . . DRAWING CAPTIONED WITH:
3:45 AM Eastern, October 23, 2008, Empire, Ohio,
on old Route 7, three-tenths of a mile north of truck driver
Tim Comstock's location on new Route 7. Sketch of unidentified
triangular aerial craft's “crumpled tinfoil” bottom
surface © 2008 by Sarah, Security Guard.
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THE CAPTION BELOW IS OF A VERY INTERESTING PIC OF THE TRIANGLE CRAFT WITH THE BRIGHTER SMALLER THING RISING UP TO IT.
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Cell phone image around 3:48 AM Eastern, October 23, 2008,
on Route 7 near W. H. Sammis coal power plant between Empire
and Stratton, Ohio, along Ohio River. Image © 2008 by Tim Comstock.
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December 12, 2008 Empire and Midvale, Ohio - During my late night October 23 to 24, 2008, news updates for Coast to Coast AM radio, in the last half-hour of live calls, a trucker named Tim Comstock phoned in. He was excited to tell us what he had seen at 3:45 AM on October 23, in Empire, Ohio - a triangular craft with glowing lights at the three corners above a glowing object that was rising up to the craft’s dark, crystalline surface. Tim took three photos of the objects on his cell phone, which I reported in an October 31, 2008, Earthfiles report. See: 103108 Earthfiles.
Since then, I have received more reports from Ohio residents provoked enough by Tim Comstock’s photographs at Earthfiles to contact me about their own sightings of the triangle and the very strange, glowing “pod,” or “cocoon” as Tim described it, rising up into the triangular craft.
Another eyewitness is a security guard I’ll call Sarah, who works in the Stratton and Empire, Ohio, region. The largest company there is the W. H. Sammis coal power plant. About 40 miles northeast are three other power plants owned and operated by FirstEnergy Corp. Two are nuclear stations at Beaver Valley Power Station and FENOC (FirstEnergy Nuclear Operating Co.), both in Shippingport on the Pennsylvania side of the Ohio River. The third First Energy company in Shippingport is the Bruce Mansfield Plant, First Energy's largest coal-fired power plant.
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Interviews:
Sarah, Security Guard, Empire and Stratton, Ohio: “The first time I saw the triangular shape of lights was in the beginning of August 2008. I was at work. I was sitting at our north gate. My dad always taught me you can learn many things looking at the sky, so I’m a sky watcher. I was looking at the different stars and in this one section of sky above the plant, the stars just suddenly seemed to disappear. As I was watching, there were these three, bright, yellowish-white lights that appeared. They were in a triangular pattern. You couldn’t see any 3-dimensional form to it. There were just the three lights. Those three lights hovered for a while. They would get bright and then they would go a little duller like they would have a little bit of orange mixed into them.
They hovered for a while and then it moved straight up in the sky and it moved towards the east. Then it stopped and started to go north and then zigzagged from west to east and then it took off straight up. It was almost faster than your eyes could follow it.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE DATE IN AUGUST?
I believe it was like August 5 or 6, right around midnight. But at that time in August, it did not have the 3-D pod under it. It didn’t have that in August. And there was one person who was working that night, who said they had seen something, but they were up a little further north than I was. They said they saw something block out the stars and there were bright lights.”
3:45 AM, October 23, 2008
Sarah Also Sees Glowing “Pod”
Rising Toward Triangle of Lights
Sarah didn’t talk to anyone else about the early August sighting of the triangle pattern of lights that moved so strangely. But three months later at 3:45 AM on October 23, 2008, not only was she seeing the triangle pattern of round lights again, but rising below the triangular aircraft was a mysterious, large, orange-yellow, glowing object that she refers to as a “pod.” Truck driver Tim Comstock felt the rising, glowing object was somehow alive and organic and called it a “cocoon.” Tim could not stop his truck and never saw what happened when the glowing cocoon, or pod, reached the triangle of lights. But Sarah did and now continues her description of what happened after she again saw stars disappearing in the sky.
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Sarah: “This sketch is when I first saw the triangle of lights and the orange-yellow,
3-D pod coming up from out of the trees. At first I thought that the pod was the moon coming up.
The only problem was that this is West and the moon comes up in the East. The three whitish-blue,
circle lights were super bright like looking into a spot light up close.” Sketch © 2008 by Sarah.
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Sarah: “I was doing a patrol down at our abandoned Toronto plant. I was coming northbound on old Route 7 looking at the sky and I noticed that the stars were disappearing. I pulled off to the side of the road and I noticed these three, really bright, lights. They were circular shaped and they were almost like looking into a spotlight. There were three round lights in a triangular pattern and it just hovered above the trees and there was this pod, like a 3-D (3-dimensional) pod shape that was a bright, yellowish-orange that was rising up. It came from the trees and went up towards the triangular shaped object.
The closer the glowing pod got (to the triangle craft), you could see there was a bottom surface between the three bright circular lights - a dark, charcoal grey or black - that had a rough texture like burnt aluminum foil all crumpled up and you straighten it out.
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Sarah: “This sketch is what the 3-D pod looked like to me.
I did have a strange feeling all the time that it was in the sky. The feelings
disappeared after the craft was out of sight.” Sketch © 2008 by Sarah.
HOW FAR DO YOU THINK YOU WERE FROM THAT RISING COCOON OR POD IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE TIM COMSTOCK WAS?
From there, I was probably three-tenths of a mile further north from where he was.
The 3-D pod kept rising up. I never saw an opening in the bottom of the craft. But it was as the pod got closer, it was like the triangular craft sucked it in. I can’t explain. It was just like the pod suddenly disappeared. And then the bright lights hovered there for a few minutes and then they just shot up!
“Not from this Earth!”
INTUITIVELY, DID YOU HAVE ANY INSTINCT ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE WATCHING?
At first, no. When I first saw the lights, I wasn’t sure what it was. But when I saw the 3-D pod shape coming up and it was not like anything I have ever seen.
MEANING THAT THE GLOWING OBJECT WAS RISING INTO THAT CRAFT THAT HAD THE THREE TRIANGULAR LIGHTS?
Yes. My immediate thought was that I had just witnessed another UFO.
NOT FROM THIS PLANET?
No. Wholeheartedly, I believe that triangular craft and pod were not from this Earth!
YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE?
Just by the feeling I got and the way it looked. I had never seen anything like that before. I had a strange feeling. You could tell by looking at it that it was not from the Earth. I have seen different airplanes and I just got this weird, almost like a tingling feeling, almost like when you know someone is watching you, but you can’t see them? It was almost like that feeling. That whole feeling quit as soon as the triangular-shaped craft disappeared, shot off. Then it was like everything went back to normal again.
IN YOUR SECURITY WORK, DID YOU GET ON THE PHONE TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS?
I didn’t get on the phone. I was driving and went straight up to the next gate going in and asked the guard there, ‘Did you see that thing in the sky?’ And they said, ‘What?’ I asked, ‘You didn’t see the lights?’ And they said, ‘No.’
I looked south from where the guard shack was and there is a bend where one hill is coming down and then a valley and another hill. The other hill is where the lights were. So from the guard shack, they weren’t going to see anything.
Glowing “Pod” Was Rising
Near Sugar Grove Neighborhood
BACK AT THAT HILLSIDE ALONG ROUTE 7 WHERE TIM COMSTOCK PASSED THE HALF DOZEN PEOPLE PULLED OVER TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND PULLED HIS BIG TRUCK RIG DOWN TO 2 OR 3 MPH SO HE COULD WATCH AND TAKE HIS CELL PHONE PHOTOS, WHAT IS THAT HILL?
On top of that hill is a place called Sugar Grove.
WHAT IS SUGAR GROVE?
It’s basically a road with houses spread out on it. Then there is a large plot of land that drops down the hill. Where the pod seemed to be rising from was from the trees near the bottom of the hill.
SO A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS AT THE TOP OF THE HILLSIDE THAT TIM COMSTOCK COULD SEE FROM HIS TRUCK?
Yes. The Sammis power plant even has a microwave tower up there where all of our communications go through. After seeing the lights, I took a trip up there because it seemed to be the general area where the pod was lifting up. I couldn’t see anything up there. I thought maybe if it had landed, there might be marks on the ground. But it was dark and I kept looking around and I didn’t see anything.
The following weekend I went up there. We have cameras up there around the microwave tower and I was moving the cameras around to see if I could find anything like burn marks or grass laid down. I couldn’t find anything and nothing on a camera. I have seen several odd objects in the sky or hovering over that area at night.
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Large, Multi-Colored UFO
November 21, 2008
From: Sarah
Subject: New Sighting
Date: November 22, 2008
To: earthfiles@earthfiles.com“There was a new sighting just south of the W.H. Sammis plant last night (November 21, 2008). While I was at work last night, there was a very bright light in the sky above Toronto, Ohio. It was like looking at a spotlight up close, but you could see colored light going around it - first blue, then red, then yellow, then orange. It was very strange. As I was watching, it just all of a sudden shot off to the west so fast that you could hardly follow it. Then it stopped and started zig- zagging in the sky. Then it just disappeared.”
I sent you an email about the other object that we saw the night of November 21st. I was down at the Toronto plant and looking at the sky probably five miles south of Empire. There was a bright light in the sky. It was too high to distinguish exactly what shape it was, but it had the multi-colored lights going around it – first blue would go around it, then there was the red, there was the orange, there was the yellow. And I motioned for one of the contractors down there to look and he and I stood there and watched it. It probably hovered there for a good five minutes.
HOW CLOSE TO THE GROUND?
It was way up in the sky, probably 3,000 to 4,000 feet, if not more.
BUT WAS IT LARGE?
Yes.
IF YOU EXTENDED YOUR HAND RIGHT NOW ARM’S LENGTH, WOULD YOUR HAND COVER IT?
My hand might barely cover it.
SO, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LARGER THAN THE FULL MOON IN THE SKY?
Yeah, pretty much – that night it was. It was huge!
THE MULTI-COLORED LIGHTS, WERE THEY SPINNING AROUND THE PERIMETER?
Yes, they were going from left to right.
FLASHING ON AND OFF?
Not really flashing on and off. It was like a steady color. When it circled, you could almost see like a trail behind it. First, it was a blue light that circled it and you could see the trail. And then there was an orange one that circled it and you could see the trail. Then it went to red and you could see the trail. Then there was a yellow one that went around it.”
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Dat's all for now. Getting sleepy.
I believe a subscription is warranted for those with the $30+ per year for it. Otherwise, these excerpts will have to do, I guess.
More excerpts from Linda Moulton Howe's earthfiles.com.
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Part 10: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“You’re going to see some highly classified equipment.
At this time, we have some saucer craft that have been gathered
in the United States from New Mexico and we have other craft
that have been gathered from around the world.”
- “Col. Jim,” USAF, Area 51, Nevada
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Return to Part 9
November 27, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 9. We talked more about the discrepancies between the Santilli 1995 TV broadcast of a 6-fingered being versus the non-human autopsy film that Stein watched with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, and twenty-four other men in the CIA's highly classified Project Blue Book group at the military base in the southeastern United States in July 1958. Stein also described more details about his trip with Anthony Barden and three other CIA colleagues to Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, to see “saucer craft” and the living, grey-colored, non-human entity.
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Non-Human Protruding Bellies
IN THE AUTOPSY FILM YOU SAW, AFTER THEY OPENED UP THE CHEST AND REMOVED THAT FIRST LARGE ORGAN, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THEY SHOWED OR REMOVED FROM THE DISTENDED BELLY AREA?
There was nothing that resembled intestines at all. It was just a bunch of smaller organs. One looked a little bit like our kidneys, only a little wider and bigger. But there was nothing there that I saw in 1958 that really resembled 100% any human organs of any kind.
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More About Non-Human Brain
AFTER CUTTING THE BEING OPEN AND LIFTING OUT THE VARIOUS ORGANS, DID THE PROCEDURE THEN SWITCH TO THE BRAIN?
Yes. I don’t remember them taking everything out of the being, but they took a lot of organs out of the abdomen area and around it, but it seems like there was something left in there. And then they started on the head. And just above his eyebrows is where they cut his head all the way around and opened up the skull. When they opened the skullcap up, it did not look as thick as our human skulls. Human skulls are pretty thick and it was not that thick. But the skull cap itself when they sat it down on the edge of the table, it could stand by itself and was still a skullcap, so it was thick enough for that.
THEN YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE BRANCHES WITH LOBES THAT WERE MORE OF A GREY COLOR AND NOT BLACK OR DARK IN THE BLACK AND WHITE MOTION PICTURE FILM?
Yes.
WHAT DID THE SURGEONS DO? DID THEY CUT OUT A LOBE OR BRANCHES?
No, they held the opened head toward the camera so you could see the two hemispheres of the brain. But they did not take the brain out of the skull. They left the brain where it was. Then they made another cut down by the ear like they were trying to see the inner ear, maybe in respect to the eye so they could see from the brain to the eye as far as the visual connection in the brain – something like that.
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Part 11: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon
about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special
Project Blue Book.” - “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst
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November 30, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 10, in which he concludes his description of the several disc craft stored inside Papoose Mountain at Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, including some identified as “German Vril” craft. Stein also described a trip to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, in June 1958, two months before the Area 51 trip. While in the Washington, D. C. area, the two men were scheduled for a meeting with Vice President Richard M. Nixon.
Stein: “At Area 51, the first two craft we saw looked almost identical. They were smaller, not nearly as big as one in the back. Col. Jim mentioned that those two were ‘Vril craft.’ We asked him what ‘Vril’ was. The Col. said it was a foreign saucer built in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Then he pointed up ahead and said the next three craft were alien (extraterrestrial) craft retrieved from New Mexico. There were three more in the back and they were huge, all sitting on metal sawhorses or stands to keep them off the ground. The disc on the very end was a huge one and Col. Jim said that was a German WWII craft built in 1938 and was jacked up higher on stands because it had a gun emplacement underneath, which he said the Germans called a ‘death ray.’ It was a different shape than the other craft, was dark in color and had a larger top that stood up probably 10 or 12 feet above the saucer. That one had a diameter of about 50 or 60 feet.
[ Editor's Note: Nazi-Disc-Photos.html reports: “The SS E-IV (Entwicklungsstelle 4), a development unit of the SS occult Order of the Black Sun was tasked with
researching alternative energies to make the Third Reich independent of scarce fuel oil for war production. Their work included developing alternative energies and fuels.“This group allegedly developed by 1939 a revolutionary electro-magnetic-gravitic engine which improved Hans Coler’s free energy machine into an energy Konverter coupled to a Van De Graaf band generator and Marconi vortex dynamo (a spherical tank of mercury) to create powerful rotating electromagnetic fields that affected gravity and reduced mass. It was designated the Thule Triebwerk (Thrustwork, a.ka. Tachyonator-7 drive) and was to be installed into a Thule-designed disc.
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“In 1935, the Thule Gesellschaft (Society) was scouting for a remote, inconspicuous, underdeveloped testing ground for such a craft. Thule found a location in northwest Germany that was known as Hauneburg. For wartime security reasons, the name was shortened to Haunebu in 1939. The early Haunebu I craft, of which two prototypes were constructed, were 25 meters (82 feet) in diameter, had a crew of eight and could achieve the incredible initial velocity of 4,800 km/h, but at low altitude. Further enhancement enabled the machine to reach 17,000 km/h. Flight endurance was 18 hours. To resist the incredible temperatures of these velocities, a special armor called Victalen (Frozen Smoke) was pioneered by SS metallurgists specifically for both the Haunebu and Vril series of disc craft. The Haunebu I had a double hull of Victalen.
“The early models also attempted to test out a rather large experimental gun installation - the twin 60 mm KSK (KraftStrahlKanone, Strong Ray Cannon) which operated off the Triebwerk for power. It has been suggested that the ray from this weapon made it a laser, but it was not. The Germans called it an ‘anachronism’ gun - not belonging to that time period or out of place.
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Heavily Armed Flight Gyro
Diameter: 26.3m/ 32.0 m Do-Stra
Drive: Thule Tachyonator (Thule Triebwerk) 7c
Control: Mag Field Impulser 4a
Speed: 6,000 km/h (theoretically up to 21,000 km/h)
Armament: 6 x 80 mm KSK in 3 rotating turrets
1 x 110 mm KSK in 1 rotating turret
Armor: Triple Victalen
Crew: 9 (with room for up to 20 people)
Quiet flight: 19 minutes
All weather, day and night, capable
Employment fitness: 100%
First flight: 1942
Available for service: 1944.
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“When a Vril 7 was downed by the Russians in 1945, a similar underbelly mounted KSK gun was destroyed with debris recovered from the battle site. Postwar, the strange metal balls and tungsten spirals that made up the weapon could not be identified. But recently it has been speculated
that the Triebwerk-connected balls formed cascade oscillators that were connected to a long barrel-shrouded transmission rod wrapped in a precision tungsten spiral, or coil to transmit a powerful energy burst suitable to pierce up to 4 inches (100 millimeters) of enemy armor. The heavy gun installation, however, badly destabilized the disc.”
Stein: “At Area 51, the craft described by Col. Jim as ‘Vril’ were not shiny silver. It almost looked like they were fabric-covered because there was no shininess. Maybe the metal was deteriorating after twenty years (1938 to 1958).
YOU HAD NEVER HEARD OF A GERMAN-MADE DISC BEFORE THEN?
Well, on our first trip to Washington, D. C. with Anthony Barden, we were in the CIA headquarters warehouse of files and saw some documents about Germany at the end of World War II.
WHAT DATE DID YOU MAKE THAT TRIP WITH BARDEN?
In May or June 1958. That was shortly before our CIA group in the southeastern U. S. military base received our first UFO photographs. Anthony Barden and I went to Langley. It was supposed to be a White House trip.
YOU MEAN TO TALK WITH THE PRESIDENT?
Yes, and the President was Dwight D. Eisenhower and the Vice President was Richard M. Nixon. We had not seen the Italian or other UFO photos at that point. We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special Project Blue Book, but that meeting never materialized. We first stopped off at Langley CIA headquarters in Virginia where we were first scheduled to stop. The rest of the trip was cancelled. I don’t know if it was because Nixon had to fly somewhere. But something happened and we never met him. So, we did our own research in the CIA archive.
WERE YOU GOING TO MEET VICE PRESIDENT NIXON THERE?
No, we were going to the White House in the Oval Office. That’s where we met three times after that first appointment was cancelled.
AFTER 1958?
Yes.
HAD ANTHONY BARDEN MET WITH NIXON BEFORE?
Yes, he had. Anthony was in the White House with some CIA officials just shortly after Eisenhower took office, which was in January 1953.
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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.
WHY FT. RILEY?
Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.
THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?
As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.
Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.
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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.
WHY FT. RILEY?
Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.
THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?
As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.
Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.
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More excerpts from Linda Moulton Howe's earthfiles.com.
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Part 10: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“You’re going to see some highly classified equipment.
At this time, we have some saucer craft that have been gathered
in the United States from New Mexico and we have other craft
that have been gathered from around the world.”
- “Col. Jim,” USAF, Area 51, Nevada
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Return to Part 9
November 27, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 9. We talked more about the discrepancies between the Santilli 1995 TV broadcast of a 6-fingered being versus the non-human autopsy film that Stein watched with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, and twenty-four other men in the CIA's highly classified Project Blue Book group at the military base in the southeastern United States in July 1958. Stein also described more details about his trip with Anthony Barden and three other CIA colleagues to Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, to see “saucer craft” and the living, grey-colored, non-human entity.
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Non-Human Protruding Bellies
IN THE AUTOPSY FILM YOU SAW, AFTER THEY OPENED UP THE CHEST AND REMOVED THAT FIRST LARGE ORGAN, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THEY SHOWED OR REMOVED FROM THE DISTENDED BELLY AREA?
There was nothing that resembled intestines at all. It was just a bunch of smaller organs. One looked a little bit like our kidneys, only a little wider and bigger. But there was nothing there that I saw in 1958 that really resembled 100% any human organs of any kind.
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More About Non-Human Brain
AFTER CUTTING THE BEING OPEN AND LIFTING OUT THE VARIOUS ORGANS, DID THE PROCEDURE THEN SWITCH TO THE BRAIN?
Yes. I don’t remember them taking everything out of the being, but they took a lot of organs out of the abdomen area and around it, but it seems like there was something left in there. And then they started on the head. And just above his eyebrows is where they cut his head all the way around and opened up the skull. When they opened the skullcap up, it did not look as thick as our human skulls. Human skulls are pretty thick and it was not that thick. But the skull cap itself when they sat it down on the edge of the table, it could stand by itself and was still a skullcap, so it was thick enough for that.
THEN YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE BRANCHES WITH LOBES THAT WERE MORE OF A GREY COLOR AND NOT BLACK OR DARK IN THE BLACK AND WHITE MOTION PICTURE FILM?
Yes.
WHAT DID THE SURGEONS DO? DID THEY CUT OUT A LOBE OR BRANCHES?
No, they held the opened head toward the camera so you could see the two hemispheres of the brain. But they did not take the brain out of the skull. They left the brain where it was. Then they made another cut down by the ear like they were trying to see the inner ear, maybe in respect to the eye so they could see from the brain to the eye as far as the visual connection in the brain – something like that.
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Part 11: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon
about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special
Project Blue Book.” - “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst
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November 30, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 10, in which he concludes his description of the several disc craft stored inside Papoose Mountain at Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, including some identified as “German Vril” craft. Stein also described a trip to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, in June 1958, two months before the Area 51 trip. While in the Washington, D. C. area, the two men were scheduled for a meeting with Vice President Richard M. Nixon.
Stein: “At Area 51, the first two craft we saw looked almost identical. They were smaller, not nearly as big as one in the back. Col. Jim mentioned that those two were ‘Vril craft.’ We asked him what ‘Vril’ was. The Col. said it was a foreign saucer built in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Then he pointed up ahead and said the next three craft were alien (extraterrestrial) craft retrieved from New Mexico. There were three more in the back and they were huge, all sitting on metal sawhorses or stands to keep them off the ground. The disc on the very end was a huge one and Col. Jim said that was a German WWII craft built in 1938 and was jacked up higher on stands because it had a gun emplacement underneath, which he said the Germans called a ‘death ray.’ It was a different shape than the other craft, was dark in color and had a larger top that stood up probably 10 or 12 feet above the saucer. That one had a diameter of about 50 or 60 feet.
[ Editor's Note: Nazi-Disc-Photos.html reports: “The SS E-IV (Entwicklungsstelle 4), a development unit of the SS occult Order of the Black Sun was tasked with
researching alternative energies to make the Third Reich independent of scarce fuel oil for war production. Their work included developing alternative energies and fuels.“This group allegedly developed by 1939 a revolutionary electro-magnetic-gravitic engine which improved Hans Coler’s free energy machine into an energy Konverter coupled to a Van De Graaf band generator and Marconi vortex dynamo (a spherical tank of mercury) to create powerful rotating electromagnetic fields that affected gravity and reduced mass. It was designated the Thule Triebwerk (Thrustwork, a.ka. Tachyonator-7 drive) and was to be installed into a Thule-designed disc.
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“In 1935, the Thule Gesellschaft (Society) was scouting for a remote, inconspicuous, underdeveloped testing ground for such a craft. Thule found a location in northwest Germany that was known as Hauneburg. For wartime security reasons, the name was shortened to Haunebu in 1939. The early Haunebu I craft, of which two prototypes were constructed, were 25 meters (82 feet) in diameter, had a crew of eight and could achieve the incredible initial velocity of 4,800 km/h, but at low altitude. Further enhancement enabled the machine to reach 17,000 km/h. Flight endurance was 18 hours. To resist the incredible temperatures of these velocities, a special armor called Victalen (Frozen Smoke) was pioneered by SS metallurgists specifically for both the Haunebu and Vril series of disc craft. The Haunebu I had a double hull of Victalen.
“The early models also attempted to test out a rather large experimental gun installation - the twin 60 mm KSK (KraftStrahlKanone, Strong Ray Cannon) which operated off the Triebwerk for power. It has been suggested that the ray from this weapon made it a laser, but it was not. The Germans called it an ‘anachronism’ gun - not belonging to that time period or out of place.
Haunebu II
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Heavily Armed Flight Gyro
Diameter: 26.3m/ 32.0 m Do-Stra
Drive: Thule Tachyonator (Thule Triebwerk) 7c
Control: Mag Field Impulser 4a
Speed: 6,000 km/h (theoretically up to 21,000 km/h)
Armament: 6 x 80 mm KSK in 3 rotating turrets
1 x 110 mm KSK in 1 rotating turret
Armor: Triple Victalen
Crew: 9 (with room for up to 20 people)
Quiet flight: 19 minutes
All weather, day and night, capable
Employment fitness: 100%
First flight: 1942
Available for service: 1944.
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“When a Vril 7 was downed by the Russians in 1945, a similar underbelly mounted KSK gun was destroyed with debris recovered from the battle site. Postwar, the strange metal balls and tungsten spirals that made up the weapon could not be identified. But recently it has been speculated
that the Triebwerk-connected balls formed cascade oscillators that were connected to a long barrel-shrouded transmission rod wrapped in a precision tungsten spiral, or coil to transmit a powerful energy burst suitable to pierce up to 4 inches (100 millimeters) of enemy armor. The heavy gun installation, however, badly destabilized the disc.”
Stein: “At Area 51, the craft described by Col. Jim as ‘Vril’ were not shiny silver. It almost looked like they were fabric-covered because there was no shininess. Maybe the metal was deteriorating after twenty years (1938 to 1958).
YOU HAD NEVER HEARD OF A GERMAN-MADE DISC BEFORE THEN?
Well, on our first trip to Washington, D. C. with Anthony Barden, we were in the CIA headquarters warehouse of files and saw some documents about Germany at the end of World War II.
WHAT DATE DID YOU MAKE THAT TRIP WITH BARDEN?
In May or June 1958. That was shortly before our CIA group in the southeastern U. S. military base received our first UFO photographs. Anthony Barden and I went to Langley. It was supposed to be a White House trip.
YOU MEAN TO TALK WITH THE PRESIDENT?
Yes, and the President was Dwight D. Eisenhower and the Vice President was Richard M. Nixon. We had not seen the Italian or other UFO photos at that point. We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special Project Blue Book, but that meeting never materialized. We first stopped off at Langley CIA headquarters in Virginia where we were first scheduled to stop. The rest of the trip was cancelled. I don’t know if it was because Nixon had to fly somewhere. But something happened and we never met him. So, we did our own research in the CIA archive.
WERE YOU GOING TO MEET VICE PRESIDENT NIXON THERE?
No, we were going to the White House in the Oval Office. That’s where we met three times after that first appointment was cancelled.
AFTER 1958?
Yes.
HAD ANTHONY BARDEN MET WITH NIXON BEFORE?
Yes, he had. Anthony was in the White House with some CIA officials just shortly after Eisenhower took office, which was in January 1953.
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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.
WHY FT. RILEY?
Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.
THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?
As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.
Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.
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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.
WHY FT. RILEY?
Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.
THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?
As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.
Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.
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There WAS a notation about the cover-up – that the second day, a cover-up story about the weather balloon and the deflectors hanging down from the balloon. That was listed as a cover story to cover up finding the alien craft.
DID IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THERE WAS A DECISION TO COVER IT UP?
It mentioned that the decision to cover it all up came from the White House, the very top, so that meant it was President Truman’s decision to cover it up, I would think.
BUT NO EXPLANATION?
No. There was nothing much about the recovered live alien and three dead aliens. There were no photos of the beings or of the autopsies or anything. When there are excuses that files have been destroyed, I would guess that the file Anthony Barden and I saw at Langley is probably in the same envelope right now labeled, ‘Secretary’s Miscellaneous Notes.’
LIKE THEY WERE FILING SENSITIVE SUBJECTS UNDER COMMON, INNOCUOUS NAMES TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM STUMBLING ON TO THE MATERIAL.
That’s right, and you can imagine in a huge warehouse a half block long, you could be there a very long time looking through boxes to find something.”
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There WAS a notation about the cover-up – that the second day, a cover-up story about the weather balloon and the deflectors hanging down from the balloon. That was listed as a cover story to cover up finding the alien craft.
DID IT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHY THERE WAS A DECISION TO COVER IT UP?
It mentioned that the decision to cover it all up came from the White House, the very top, so that meant it was President Truman’s decision to cover it up, I would think.
BUT NO EXPLANATION?
No. There was nothing much about the recovered live alien and three dead aliens. There were no photos of the beings or of the autopsies or anything. When there are excuses that files have been destroyed, I would guess that the file Anthony Barden and I saw at Langley is probably in the same envelope right now labeled, ‘Secretary’s Miscellaneous Notes.’
LIKE THEY WERE FILING SENSITIVE SUBJECTS UNDER COMMON, INNOCUOUS NAMES TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM STUMBLING ON TO THE MATERIAL.
That’s right, and you can imagine in a huge warehouse a half block long, you could be there a very long time looking through boxes to find something.”
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Part 1: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“In 1946-1947, the United States had a scientific mission
to Antarctica under Admiral Byrd and we had military interaction
there with aliens and their saucer craft, like a mini-war.
We lost all of our aircraft.” - “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst
August 27, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - Ten years ago in April 1998, I received a phone call from a California resident who said he was an acquaintance of a man whose father-in-law had worked for the Central Intelligence Agency in the late 1950s and his work included UFO investigations. The caller thought I should talk with the son-in-law to see if I could speak with the 62-year-old father-in-law living in the southeastern United States whose health was deteriorating.
After a lengthy discussion with the son-in-law, S. D., about my investigative journalism career as a TV producer, documentary filmmaker, radio reporter and writer concerning subjects ranging from science and environment to earth mysteries that include the UFO phenomenon, S. D. said he would talk with his father-in-law and let me know if I could talk with him – either on or off the record. I assured S. D. that I was willing to speak with his father-in-law in complete confidence, if necessary.
S. D. called back and gave me his father-in-law’s home number. On May 2, 1998, I dialed the number of the former CIA and U. S. Army analyst who I will call Stein.
The first phone conversation had more surprising details than I expected and I asked Stein if I could record-by-phone, without using his real name, so I could share his alleged experiences with the public on Dreamland and Coast to Coast AM, then hosted by Art Bell. Stein said as long as I didn’t reveal his name and current geographical location or the specific military base in which he and others analyzed UFO photographs and film that included autopsies of non-human beings, he would talk because he did not know how much longer he would be alive. But he did not want his surviving family to be jeopardized, so he wanted complete anonymity. Unfortunately, requests for anonymity have been too common in my long-time efforts to understand what the U.S. government knows about the agendas and interactions of non-human intelligences with planet Earth. It’s my understanding there has been a policy of strict denial in the interest of national security since 1947, after President Harry S. Truman signed a classified executive order to keep the public and media ignorant.
In 1998, with his permission, I did share some excerpts of a phone-recorded interview with Stein. But soon after our first discussion, Stein received a tip from a long-time friend of his who worked for the phone company in his home town. The friend told Stein that his phone was tapped and wondered why, since Stein was retired and very ill.
Stein let me know the situation and agreed that I could visit him at his home and record his story. Even that secret effort backfired on Stein in a surprising and disturbing way that ended our discussions, but not before I had recorded many hours of his story.
Now, it is ten years later in August 2008, and I begin the following Real X-Files series of Stein's assertions that I cannot prove, but in the wake of Jim Marrs's latest book, Rise of the Fourth Reich, I think Stein's comments are valuable to share as alleged firsthand accounts of 1950s CIA operations concerning extraterrestrial biological entities and their advanced technologies.
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DID THE DOCUMENTS EVER GIVE ANY INDICATION ABOUT THE ORIGIN OF THE 6-FINGERED TYPES?
What I read about the Roswell situation, apparently those 6-fingered aliens were supposed to be from two planets orbiting Aldebaran, the biggest star in the constellation Taurus.
DID YOU EVER SEE ANY REFERENCE TO ZETA RETICULI 1 AND 2?
No, I don’t recall, but it’s over forty years ago.
IF YOU WERE IN THE CIA AND WERE READING REPORTS, INCLUDING ONE ABOUT A NEW MEXICO CRASH IN 1947 THAT INVOLVED THE 6-FINGERED BEINGS AND THE CRAFT WAS TRACED BACK TO GERMAN CONSTRUCTION IN 1938 UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF THOSE BEINGS, DID YOU EVER HAVE ANY FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT CONTACTING GERMANS TO DISCUSS THE E. T. ISSUE?
No, I was very surprised at what I was reading and didn’t see any other tie-ins with Germany. But, I know we ran across the saucers and their beings in 1948.
WHERE?
Apparently, we (American OSS and British MI-5 and MI-6) learned that the Germans in 1938 moved all the saucer crafts they had underground in Germany to Argentina and Antarctica.”
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Nazis raise the swastika flag in 1938 to mark the territory of
Neu-Schabenland occupied by Germany in Antarctica. Source: UFOs in Antarctica.
Operation Highjump, 1946-1947, Antarctica
Stein: “In 1946-1947, the United States had a scientific mission to Antarctica under Admiral Byrd and we had military interaction there with aliens and their saucer craft, like a mini-war. We lost all of our aircraft.
[ Editor's Note: Wikipedia - “The fourth Admiral Edward Byrd expedition, Operation Highjump (OpHjp), was the largest Antarctic expedition ever mounted. The massive Antarctic task force ordered by U. S. Navy Secretary James Forrestal included 4,700 men, the flagship Mount Olympus, the aircraft carrier Philippine Sea, 13 ships, six helicopters, six flying boats, two seaplane tenders and fifteen other aircraft. Officially titled the United States Navy Antarctic Developments Program, 1946-47, Operation Highjump was organized by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd in Antarctica under the command of Richard Cruzen. OpHjp was launched on August 26, 1946, and abruptly terminated without explanation in late February 1947.
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“The armada arrived in the Ross Sea on December 31, 1946, and made aerial explorations of an area half the size of the United States, recording ten new mountain ranges. The major area covered was the eastern coastline of Antarctica from 150 degrees east to the Greenwich meridian. The expedition was terminated abruptly at the end of February 1947, six months early, the entire remaining armada returning immediately to the United States. The early termination of the mission was never explained. (Howe's emphasis)”
“Operation Highjump has become a topic among UFO conspiracy theorists, who claim it was a covert US military operation to conquer alleged secret underground Nazi facilities in Antarctica and capture the German Vril flying discs, or Thule mercury-powered spaceship prototypes.” ]
DID THE DOCUMENT SAY WHETHER THE ANTARCTIC SAUCERS HAD BOTH GERMANS AND 6-FINGERED TYPES IN THEM? OR JUST THE 6-FINGERED TYPES?
We didn’t capture anything and never shot anything down, so they had no idea who was flying the saucers, except there were references to the Nazis. It was after the end of WWII that we had the altercation. The British had come up with photographs of the saucer craft in the 1930s, and so we knew Germany had the saucer craft with ‘laser guns’ on them. Hitler actually sent out all the craft that they had to Argentina and Antarctica apparently to make sure when he started WWII none of them would be captured. Hitler always mentioned his top secret weapons and everyone thought it was the V-2 rockets. But it appears the V-2 rockets were only a side show to the saucer technology being developed.
BUT IF HITLER WAS DESPERATE TO WIN AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD, WHY WOULDN’T HE HAVE USED THOSE DISCS?
It had something to do with those 6-fingered entities retrieved from the 1947 crash around Roswell.
There was another kind of being, too. My boss and I took a trip to Area 51 in Nevada. There, I saw an alien through a glass window, but I never went in.
WAS IT ALIVE?
Yes, it was alive. My boss went in and said the being did not speak at all, it was only telepathic. My boss said he would think of a question, but the being would already answer it before he even spoke the question out loud. The being could read my boss’s mind.
WHAT DID THE BEING LOOK LIKE?
That one was like a typical ‘Grey,’ as they are called today, with the large eyes and narrow, pointed chin, and small nose, only ear canals without ear lobes. A very frail, skinny-type of body. The being was about 4.5 to 5 feet all.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE EYES?
Dark, looked like it was wearing sunglasses.
THIS IS A DIFFERENT DESCRIPTION THAN THE 6-FINGERED ONES.
Yes, the 6-fingered ones looked almost like – according to the photos I saw – they looked like small human beings as far as the roundness of the face.
SO YOU HAD EXPOSURE TO TWO TYPES OF NON-HUMANS?
Yes, that would be true as far as seeing photographs of the 6-fingered ones, which was the extent of my exposure on that first type that were supposed to have been in a New Mexico crash.
The way we got that Grey alien – and I was told there some others, too – is that the saucers were crashing. And the reason the saucers were crashing was that in the 1950s, we came out with a much stronger radar system for the USAF bases and control towers. Apparently, the stronger radar signals were interfering with the saucer propulsion in some way.
After the early 1950s, maybe the aliens figured out how to counter our radar, because after a few years, they weren’t crashing like they were.
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Those were the cases where the eyewitnesses were very credible such as state patrol officers and military officers. Those cases would be sent to Anthony Barden. The only thing the public Project Blue Book kept up in Washington were the explainable cases. That’s why Project Blue Book never really had anything solid in it when it was cancelled. My boss and I and our unit of a couple dozen men were seeing the real UFO photos and documents collected from Project Blue Book and funneled to the CIA.
BY THIS TIME, 1957 TO 1960 – YOU SAID THAT THE HARRY S. TRUMAN ADMINISTRATION HAD ALREADY BEEN DEALING WITH WHAT THEY CONSIDERED TO BE EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEINGS.
Yes, they were.
WHY WERE YOU INVOLVED IN AN INVESTIGATION OF UNEXPLAINED BLUE BOOK CASES WHEN THE GOVERNMENT ALREADY KNEW EXTRATERRESTRIALS WERE INVOLVED WITH OUR PLANET?
That’s true that our government knew already, but they were trying to find out more. We had staff members in our unit that were going out and interviewing eyewitnesses.
THAT MEANS WE REALLY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE EXTRATERRESTRIALS WERE UP TO?
That’s absolutely true. Even Truman asked what the aliens were doing here? Where do they go? Where do they come from?
HOW LONG WAS THAT BEING ALIVE AND KEPT AT AREA 51?
As far as I know, the being was still alive there when I was working for the CIA (1957-1960). I don’t know if he died, or his species came and got him, or what.
There was one report that was not very clear, but I read that a large craft did come over Area 51 in Nevada. The rest of the report pages had been taken out so I don't know what happened.
NOTHING ABOUT THE TYPE OF BEINGS IN THE LARGE CRAFT?
No, nothing like that. It looked like someone had gone through the report and pulled all the important data out.
One of the reports I read said the CIA had ‘silenced’ – they didn’t say killed – about half a dozen people over a period of three to four years after the Roswell crash. They had threatened some and ‘silenced’ some of them, is what the report said.
DID YOU EVER HAVE ASK YOUR BOSS IF THERE WERE 6-FINGERED BEINGS ASSOCIATED WITH SAUCER CRAFT IN GERMANY IN 1938, PRIOR TO WORLD WAR II, DID THAT MEAN THE 6-FINGERED BEINGS WERE HELPERS TO GERMANY?
They were helpers to Germany.
DID YOU EVER TALK WITH YOUR BOSS ABOUT WHY THE 6-FINGERED BEINGS WORKED WITH GERMANY AND THEN WOULD BE RETRIEVED IN A U.S. CRASH?
All I knew firsthand was a report reference to the German round aerial ships. And I knew Germany had some and transported them some how to Argentina and Antarctica.
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WHAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHY THERE IS SUCH A STRICT POLICY OF DENIAL ABOUT AN EXTRATERRESTRIAL PRESENCE ON THIS PLANET?
I could never figure that out myself. It’s a cover-up that started and just can’t stop, that type of thing. I think it all goes back to the 1930s when the Nazis got all the saucer craft out of Germany and worked on the V-1s and V-2s. Then it was the end of the war followed by the crash or crashes in Roswell. Then in early 1947, they had the battle with the flying saucers and what they termed the ‘Nazis’ in Antarctica.
My boss’s theory on the whole thing was that we lost that battle down in Antarctica and lost all our airplanes, which were no competition for the flying saucers. We couldn’t do a thing to counteract the ‘laser cannons’ on the saucer craft and the saucer craft could maneuver so rapidly and easily that we could not even shoot at them.
My boss and I were discussing this with some other people that the Marshall Plan started about that same time. We felt there was some contact between the Nazis and Argentina and our government at that time. We felt that was why the Marshall Plan started to re-build Europe. We had to in order to keep the Nazis in Argentina happy. It was almost like we won the war, but later surrendered by paying for the war.
IF WE LOST A LOT OF PLANES TO DISCS WITH ‘LASER CANNONS’ THAT WERE BEING OPERATED BY THE NAZIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE 6-FINGERED BEINGS, WHY WOULD THAT ENCOUNTER HAVE BEEN CONFINED TO ANTARCTICA? WHY WOULDN’T THE NAZIS AND THE BEINGS HAVE FLOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD IN THOSE SAME SAUCERS KNOCKING EVERY PLANE OUT OF THE SKY AND TAKING OVER ANYWAY?
I think when this thing happened down in Antarctica that beat us so badly, the U.S. started working on the Marshall Plan to re-build Europe and that was almost like a peace treaty thing – the aliens would not touch our cities if we re-built Europe.
THE MARSHALL PLAN WAS A CAPITULATION TO THE NAZIS AND THE EXTRATERRESTRIALS?
Yes, I think so.
BUT THAT DOES NOT EXPLAIN - IF THEY HAD THAT KIND OF OVERWHELMING TECHNOLOGY, WHY WOULDN’T THEY HAVE SIMPLY TAKEN OVER THE WORLD ANYWAY?
I don’t know.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY GERMAN NAZIS LOST WWII IF THERE WERE 6-FINGERED EXTRATERRESTRIAL BEINGS THAT HAD TECHNOLOGY AND WERE TEACHING THE NAZIS HOW TO BUILD THEIR ADVANCED AERIAL CRAFT. THOSE SAME BEINGS COULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO ON THIS PLANET. SO, WHY DID THEY NOT MOVE AGAINST THE UNITED STATES, ENGLAND, AUSTRALIA AND THE ALLIES IF THEY DEMONSTRATED IN ANTARCTICA THEY COULD TAKE OUT OF THE SKY ANY PLANE THEY WANTED TO?
I don’t know.
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Part 5: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“I’m sure the CIA would have killed me to prevent my getting out
and talking about the classified UFO stuff. We had 26 people to start with
in that CIA Project Blue Book and I was the only one that survived and
got out because my boss helped me with the phony body cover.”
- “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst
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More Details About 1958 Visit
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WHAT DETAILS DO YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE SIX DISC CRAFT THAT YOU, YOUR BOSS AND THE THREE OTHER MEN SAW AT AREA 51 GROOM LAKE IN 1958?
They were all saucer-shaped craft. Some were very small. Some were quite large. The Col. Jim did say the small ones were Vril craft from the Vril Society in Germany dating back to the 1920s. Some of the bigger ones – I asked if they were German. Col. Jim said some of them were extraterrestrial and two of the big ones in the back are German UFOs from the 1930s.
DID YOU ASK IF THE GERMANS MADE THEM? OR WERE THEY EXTRATERRESTRIAL CRAFT THAT HAD SOME HOW BEEN ADAPTED FOR THE GERMANS TO USE?
The Germans built the Vrils, but I understand that the Vril Society was in contact with extraterrestrials from 1917 onward. So, maybe the Germans were making the discs under the direction of, or with the help of, the extraterrestrials.
BACK IN 1958 WHEN YOU WERE AT AREA 51 GROOM LAKE AND YOU WERE TAKEN WITH YOUR BOSS AND THREE OTHER MEN TO THE ENCLOSURE, WAS IT INSIDE A MOUNTAIN? OR UNDERGROUND?
Part of it was inside a mountain (Papoose Mountain?) and part of it was not. But it was further beyond the special area where they had the TOP SECRET United States aircraft there. We went to like the third area where there is a landing strip that you land on in a normal USAF installation. Then you go about ten miles further and you find another little airstrip with its own hangars. Then you go further about another eight miles and you have the highly classified installation there with the UFOs in it and that's partly inside a mountain.
DID YOU GO THROUGH DOORS INTO A MOUNTAIN? DID YOU GO UNDERGROUND TO SEE THE CRAFT AND NON-HUMAN ENTITY?
The disc craft were in a major building along side the mountain and there were driveway and walkway areas that went right into the mountain. Inside the mountain were like carved out caves where they had like hangars. The alien being we looked at, he was out in the main office building part of that third complex.
WHEN YOU WENT INSIDE THE MOUNTAIN HANGARS, HOW MANY CRAFT DID YOU PERSONALLY SEE WITH YOUR OWN EYES?
It was like six or seven. Some were more distant where I was looking over foreground vehicles and I could only see the top of craft in the distance. I did ask Col. Jim about them and that’s the answer he gave me about what the little ones and big ones were.
CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE SHAPE, COLOR AND SO FORTH?
Most of them were a silver color. The small Vril craft were silver. The other ones were like light grey and a couple of big ones were a dark grey, or light black (charcoal).
IN DIAMETER, WHAT WERE THE BIGGEST?
I’d say 60 feet in diameter.
WHAT WAS THE DIAMETER OF THE SMALLER CRAFT?
Probably about 18 to 20 feet.
WERE THEY ON ANY PLATFORMS?
Some were sitting on like saw horses, but the supports were metal and heavier than a wooden saw horse. One of the big craft did have a gun-type thing below it and I was told it was what the Germans called ‘the death ray.’ Some kind of ray gun.
IN TERMS OF THE METAL SAW HORSES THAT PROPPED UP THE CRAFT, WERE EACH OF THE CRAFT DISC-SHAPED? OR WERE THERE DIFFERENT SHAPES?
The craft we saw at Groom Lake were all basically disc-shaped. Some had a bottom area to them or a round top area that stood up above the disc. That varied. But basically you would have to say they were all disc-shaped.
DID ANYONE DESCRIBE TRIANGLE OR WEDGE SHAPES? OR U-CURVED LIKE THE HEEL OF A SHOE?
No.
WERE YOU ALLOWED TO GO CLOSER TO TOUCH ANY OF THE DISCS?
No, we just saw them from a doorway and walkway where we were passing by the area and back to the front side. We never got to touch them.
WHAT DID YOUR BOSS SAY ABOUT THE HALF DOZEN DISCS?
He said, ‘This is such a surprise. How could Germany be that advanced back in the 1920s and 1930s?’ He was shocked at that. I believe the two big ones were German and the two smaller ones were German Vrils and there were a couple of medium-sized craft with different tops and bottoms that Col. Jim said were literally extraterrestrial.
WAS ANY PART THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT DESIGNATED AS SPECIFICALLY FROM THE CRAFT THAT THE 6-FINGERED HUMANOIDS WERE TAKEN FROM? OR THE SMALL, SPINDLY GREYS?
No, there was no comment about which craft belonged to which beings.
YOUR BOSS DID NOT ASK?
No, he did not. Neither of us did. We thought of so many questions when we left that we should have asked, but when you see something like that, you’re so shocked at what you are seeing that you kind of forget to dig scientifically.
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WHEN YOU LEFT IN 1960, WOULD YOU EXPLAIN IF SOMEBODY WERE TRYING TO TRACK YOU - EVEN BY THE PHONY NAME YOU HAD ON YOUR CIA NAME BADGE - COULD THOSE PHONY NAMES BE TRACED?
When we were working on the CIA Blue Book project, my colleagues there had gone out to some foreign areas for field research. I was the only one that I know of in our CIA group that got out alive. The others were killed on field assignments in Turkey and other countries.
BECAUSE THEY HAD UFO KNOWLEDGE?
Yes, because they were checking out UFO leads in Turkey and other foreign lands. There was a big problem with the CIA at that time in the 1950s and 1960s. They had so many double agents. A lot of those people were eliminated (killed off) just because the CIA thought they might be double agents.
BUT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET OUT IN 1960?
My time was up to be discharged in July 1960, so I had a chance. The CIA wanted me to stay, but when I saw all the other people being eliminated (murdered to keep them quiet), I told my boss I definitely wanted to take my discharge and get out.
He said there was probably only one way I could get by and that was to set up a situation, which he did only a few weeks after I received my discharge. His records showed I was out somewhere on some kind of a field operation on UFOs, but what he did – which they had done for some other people in earlier years. We had a real hot spell in July in that southern state where the military base was. There were some elderly street people who had died. My boss and his group just picked up one of those dead street people and put my phony CIA name identification on the body and ran it officially through the city of --------. Then my boss had the dead body cremated. After the cremation, the ashes were spread in the river down there. So, the CIA name I used officially was on the person who died.
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On April 27, 1961, U. S. President John F. Kennedy spoke to the National News Publishers Association at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City:
“The very word ‘secrecy’ is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon by those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it’s in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know.”
Later, JFK promised U. S. Senator Mike Mansfield that “after I am re-elected, I will smash the CIA into a thousand pieces, and scatter them to the wind.”
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Part 1: Original Scorched Carbon of CIA Memo Links
Government UFO Cover-Up and JFK Assassination
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“As far as I know, this ‘burned memo’ is the only document
that I've ever heard anyone claim could be the authorization
to kill President John F. Kennedy.” - Robert Wood, Ph.D.,
Physicist and Retired Aerospace Manager
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PHOTO OF BURNED DOC AVAILABLE AT THE LINK ABOVE. I realize it's probably behind the subscriber's only wall.
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Tab A, TOP SECRET/MJ-12 Central Intelligence Agency memo
from Director of Central Intelligence (MJ-1) to MJ-2 through MJ-7 allegedly written
in 1961 to 1963 time period. Leaker says he worked1960 to 1974 in CIA counter-intelligence
for James Jesus Angleton, Director, CIA Counter-intelligence from 1954 to 1974. After James
Angleton died on May 12, 1987, leaker said he pulled this 9-page memorandum from a fire
that was burning up Angleton's most sensitive MJ-12 secret files.
Image provided by Robert Wood.
August 3, 2008 Newport Beach, California - In 1993, Robert Wood, Ph.D., retired from his management work at McDonnell Douglas Corporation, a large aerospace company where he had worked since 1953. That was the year he received his Ph.D. in Physics at Cornell University where his focus was theoretical physics and aeronautical engineering. Immediately after graduation, he began working for McDonnell Aircraft Corporation in Maryland, but was drafted into the U. S. Army for two years and was assigned to Aberdeen Proving Ground northeast of Baltimore. For the Army, Bob analyzed the boundary layers of ballistic shells. After completing his draft service, he left as a corporal and returned to McDonnell Aircraft, which on April 28, 1967, merged with Douglas Aircraft to become McDonnell Douglas Corporation.
Bob Wood explained to me that beginning in 1967 during his continued employment with McDonnell Douglas, he was asked by his boss to investigate the possible anti-gravity propulsion system attributed to unidentified aerial vehicles.
Interview:
Robert Wood, Ph.D., Physicist and former Aerospace Manager for McDonnell Douglas Corporation, now retired in Newport Beach, California: “In 1967, I was asked by my boss to look into UFOs because he had to give a speech on the subject. And that assignment resulted in my establishing a group of about five scientists who studied the UFO subject for a couple of years. That’s when I met James McDonald, Ph.D.
[ Editor’s Note: Senior physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and Prof. in the Department of Meteorology, University of Arizona, Tucson, who was convinced UFOs were extraterrestrial, testified before Congress in 1968 about the need for serious study of the phenomenon and was found dead on June 13, 1971, in a Tucson creek. His death was declared a suicide, but another theory is that he was murdered by MJ-12 authority to enforce a policy of denial in the interest of national security that required keeping facts about the UFO/extraterrestrial phenomenon out of the public and media.]
I also visited Edward Condon, who headed the Condon Committee UFO Project at the University of Colorado in the late 1960s.
[ Editor’s Note: Edward Condon, Ph.D., graduated from the University of California-Berkeley, in 1926 with a Ph.D. in Physics. By 1943, Condon joined the Manhattan Project to develop the atomic bomb. Later he was Research Director of Corning Glass, Director of the National Bureau of Standards, and President of the American Physical Society.
Condon was also Prof. of Physics at the University of Colorado in Boulder when the U. S. Air Force asked him to oversee a review of UFO reports and to produce an official report for Air Force use. From 1966 to 1968, Condon directed the University of Colorado UFO Project in which he concluded there was nothing to the UFO phenomenon. His formal conclusion contradicted facts and eyewitness testimonies and many researchers have concluded the Condon Study was a deliberate misinformation project by MJ-12 through the USAF and Condon to discredit UFOs in the context of Project BLUE BOOK. After that, the USAF's standard comment to UFO inquiries has been the Air Force no longer investigates UFOs because Prof. Condon investigated and concluded there was nothing worth investigating.
One of Condon’s students was Cornell University astronomer Carl Sagan, who is also suspected of replacing Harvard astronomer, Donald Menzel, on the MJ-12 member list. Nuclear physicist and long-time UFO researcher, Stanton Friedman, hypothesizes that Menzel and Sagan had classified MJ-12 assignments to misinform the public and media about the UFO/extraterrestrial presence in order to sustain the MJ-12 policy of denial in the interest of national security. ]
Robert Wood: “My science team at McDonnell Douglas did not discover the secret of anti-gravity, but we worked on it. Stanton Friedman, nuclear physicist and long-time UFO investigator, was one of the contributors to our work.
When the group broke up, I knew I wanted to attack this problem further. In the meantime, I had to earn a living. So, at McDonnell Douglas I became an expert on radar for ballistic missile defense and worked on the international space station and other space-related projects.
In 1993 after I retired, I heard from Stanton Friedman that Don Berliner at the Fund for UFO Research received undeveloped 35mm negative film by mail that I should see. So, I called up Don who asked me to visit him in Washington, D. C., and we went together to get some high quality photographs of the undeveloped film. That turned out to be the SOM1-01 Special Operations Manual. I examined the blown up photographs in great detail and typed up paper copies of the text to share and study. That research got me very interested in the authentication of questioned documents. For Robert Wood details on the authentication of the SOM1-01, see 111903Earthfiles in Archive.
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Restricted SOM1-01 MAJESTIC-12 Group Special
Operations Manual, dated April 1954 with War Department logo entitled:
“Extraterrestrial Entities and Technology, Recovery and Disposal,” classified
TOP SECRET/MAJIC EYES ONLY. Manual cover provided by Robert Wood. Entire
document of text and images can be seen in my book, Glimpses of Other Realities,
Vol. II: High Strangeness © 1998, and at www.majesticdocuments.com.
Robert Wood: “In the meantime, I learned that Timothy Cooper’s father, Harry Bob Cooper, was assigned to Holloman AFB in the late 1940s and one of the jobs he had was to run their reprographics facility (document printing and copying). Apparently, in later life, he told his son, Timothy, that during his work at Holloman AFB, he was involved in some UFO research. The father, Harry Cooper, even had a certificate commending him for working in the UFO research program, which is amazing since the U. S. Air Force has never acknowledged the existence of such a program!
Tim says he was with his father on November 22, 1963, watching television about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Timothy told Bob Wood that there were tears in his father’s eyes when Harry Cooper said, ‘They really did it.’ That led Timothy to become very interested in the Kennedy assassination. Timothy Cooper started putting in Freedom of Information requests back in the late 1980s for information about the Kennedy assassination. At the same time, Timothy began to ask about UFOs. Timothy had put in FOIA requests to about fourteen different government agencies for everything they had about the Kennedy assassination and UFOs.
In 1996, Timothy Cooper received a surprise in the mail – a leaked document. Timothy wrote to UFO researchers, Stanton Friedman and Richard Haines, to let them know he had information relevant to White Sands in 1947. None of them did anything about it. There was no visit to Timothy until Stanton Friedman called me up and said, ‘You live a lot closer to Big Bear Lake, California, than I do. That’s where this Timothy Cooper is. Why don’t you go visit him?’
So, that was what caused my first visit to see Timothy Cooper in the early 1990s. He showed me some of the documents that he had received in various ways. I was pretty impressed. But most of what he first showed me were all xeroxed copies. He did not show me any original documents at that time.
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June 1999 - Timothy Cooper Received
Two Significant Original Documents
But in June 1999, Timothy sent me an email saying, ‘Wow, you won’t believe what I got in the mail today!’ That was when I went to Bear Lake to visit him again for the second or third time. What he had received was the Vernon Bowen manuscript – 339 pages that came in an envelope mailed from Fort Meade, Maryland (U. S. Army and headquarters of the National Security Agency – See Websites below).
Encyclopaedia of Flying Saucers
© 1961 by Charles Vernon Bowen
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[ Editor's Note: Majesticdocuments.com writes about the Vernon Bowen manuscript title page above: “Perhaps the most stunning physical evidence for the existence of the TOP SECRET/MAJIC program is this original 339 page manuscript about flying saucers. Written by Vernon Bowen, the original is on watermarked paper with red TOP SECRET/MAJIC stampings on some of the chapters. Most of the rest of the document is marked CONFIDENTIAL. Original handwritten marginalia shows linkages to Project White Hot, Twining, Vannevar Bush, Moon Dust, and Donald Menzel. A well written snapshot of the public history of flying saucers from 1947 to 1954. Bowen was personally well-connected to many top (government) people.”]
Robert Wood: “The author was Charles Vernon Bowen who in 1961, produced a manuscript entitled Encyclopaedia of Flying Saucers. Then a friend of Bowen's in the U. S. Air Force asked to show Bowen's manuscript to some U. S. Air Force authority and some one there apparently gave it to someone else in the U. S. Army, because it was returned from the FOIA office at Fort Meade in 1999 to Timothy Cooper.
Charles Vernon Bowen was an advertising agent who spent most of his lunch time in the New York Public Library looking up everything in the Periodical Guide to Literature on UFOs and flying saucers. His encyclopaedia was basically an unclassified summary of everything he had read.
We’re not sure where exactly his manuscript went in the government, but we do know there were people actively reading it because they were writing on the margins. I’ve analyzed the age of the ink when those marginalia occurred. The earliest date is 1961 and those were the ink marks made by Vernon Bowen, the last marks he made on the manuscript. Other ink margin notes are dated 1977.
The interesting thing is that the notes made in the margins of this original manuscript were datable by pen and ink and some of the notes identified Harvard astronomer, Donald Menzel, as a guy who was a member of the inner (government UFO) circle.
[Editor’s Note: Donald Howard Menzel (April 11, 1901 to December 14, 1976). An American astronomer and astrophysicist who was one of the leading astronomers of his era. Menzel also earned notoriety as an early skeptic of UFOs as being any extraordinary phenomenon. Physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman reported that his own research (including examination of Harvard University archives) showed that Menzel had served as a consultant to the National Security Council.The fact that Menzel had security clearance and worked with the U.S. government is not on its own extraordinary; many scientists participate in sensitive duties for the U.S. government. What is somewhat unusual about Menzel's case, is that he held the rarefied ‘Top Secret Ultra’ clearance. Menzel's dual membership in the academic community and in the black world of military secret projects was apparently unknown to many colleagues and military contacts in the USAF Air Technical Intelligence Center.
Friedman argues that Menzel's high-level clearance is evidence that he was a member of MJ-12. In fact, Friedman found Menzel's name on a list of purported MJ-12 members. Friedman then concluded that Menzel's persistent debunking of the UFO phenomenon was a deliberate MJ-12 assignment to misinform and reduce public and professional interest in UFOs.]
Vernon Bowen's Encyclopaedia is significant in that it’s one of only two or three documents I have that are on original paper where you can actually date the paper and ink and determine it was authentic for that era.
WHEN DID YOU RECEIVE THE PAGES FOR THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU COULD STUDY THE INK?
I think I saw it for the first time probably a week after he got it in June 1999. But I got possession of the documents in 2001, when Timothy Cooper became disenchanted with the UFO subject, wanted to become a TV script writer and was really short of cash.
I asked him, ‘How much would it take to buy from you everything you’ve got?’ He agreed on a price and he shipped me the documents.
SO, THAT’S HOW WWW.MAJESTICDOCUMENTS.COM CAME INTO BEING AFTER YOU PURCHASED ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT TIMOTHY COOPER HAD IN 2001?
Yes. And interestingly enough, one week after I had been at his Big Bear Lake, California, home and saw the Vernon Bowen inked manuscript with the TOP SECRET/MAJIC stamp on the title page, I received an email from Timothy saying, ‘You won’t believe what arrived in the mail yesterday!’ Then he alluded to the fact that a new memo he just received had apparently been scorched in a fire. That’s when I first heard about the burned memo. As far as I know, this ‘burned memo’ is the only document that I've ever heard anyone claim could be the authorization to kill President John F. Kennedy.”
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Part 2: Original Scorched Carbon of CIA Memo Links
Government UFO Cover-Up and JFK Assassination
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“As you must know LANCER [JFK] has made some inquiries
regarding our activities which we cannot allow.”
- Director of Central Intelligence (MJ-1)
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[QUIX NOTE: MANY PAGES OF THE PARTIALLY BURNED DOC IN PHOTOCOPY APPEAR NEXT IN THE DOC AT THE ABOVE LINK. VERY FASCINATING ASSERTIONS ON THOSE QUITE AUTHENTIC LOOKING PAGES.]
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Above: 9-page, TOP SECRET/MJ-12 Central Intelligence Agency memo
from Director of Central Intelligence (MJ-1) to MJ-2 through MJ-7 allegedly written
in 1961 to 1963 time period. Leaker says he worked1960 to 1974 in CIA counter-intelligence
for James Jesus Angleton, Director, CIA Counter-intelligence from 1954 to 1974. After James
Angleton died on May 12, 1987, leaker said he pulled this 9-page memorandum from a fire
that was burning up Angleton's most sensitive MJ-12 secret files.
All images in this report provided by Robert Wood.
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I did see something strange one night. I was looking up and I saw a perfect triangle in the sky. There was no blinking lights. Then the top went down. I don’t know what it was...
BTTT! Really appreciate all your knowledge on this subject.
How can any sane person deny their existence?
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Most of the links used are behind the subscribers' only wall. If you have the funds and serious interest, it is probably worth the subscription. Otherwise, enjoy the excerpts. The links are required per my personal agreement with Linda.
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Updated - Part 3: Original Carbon of Scorched Memo Links
Government UFO Cover-Up and JFK Assassination
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“I would presume that the scenario involved is that MJ-1
is dictating this burned memo to a secretary. He, MJ-1, does not want the
secretary to know that he is saying, ‘We ought to kill JFK.’”
- Robert Wood, Ph.D., Physicist and Retired Aerospace Manager
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IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE LEAKER'S COVER LETTER, WHO IS 'AWD' WHO ‘WAS VERY FEARFUL OF DISCLOSURE?’
Allen W. Dulles. He was the Director of the CIA, and presumably MJ-1 up to 1961. He was a tough inside player. But, in November 1961, President John F. Kennedy replaced Alan Dulles with John McCone. McCone was also in charge of the CIA at the time of the November 22, 1963, assassination; Allen W. Dulles served on the Warren Commission, which investigated the assassination, and Allen W. Dulles signed the Warren Commission report cover letter.
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If, as the Eisenhower document says, the Director of the CIA is MJ-1 in the Majestic 12 group, who wrote the burned memo? Depending upon the date it was written - and we don't have a date - if it was written in 1963 shortly before JFK was assassinated, was the CIA Director then, John McCone, the MJ-12 memo writer? The fact that the author says, ‘Please submit your views no later than October’ after warning that ‘LANCER has made some inquiries regarding our activities which we cannot allow.’ For me, that seems to tie with 1963 events in which we have a Kennedy letter dated November 12, 1963, that asks for information from the CIA.
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November 12, 1963 TOP SECRET Memorandum for Director, Central Intelligence Agency
(name blacked out, but presumably John McCone) from President John F. Kennedy.
SUBJECT: Classification review of all UFO intelligence files affecting National Security.
AND JFK IS DEAD ONLY TEN DAYS AFTER HIS NOVEMBER 12, 1963, MEMO.
Right. So, I’m inclined to believe the burned memo is October 1963 and that would mean the writer of the burned memo was John McCone, then CIA Director. But it might still have been Allen Dulles, the powerful insider, if he remained MJ-1 even after McCone was appointed to take his place in the CIA. Or the burned memo writer might also be Allen W. Dulles if it was written as early as 1961 when Dulles was head of the CIA. AWD is mentioned in the burned memo and clearly, the writer of the burned memo is identified as MJ-1.
If the leaker of the burned memo to Timothy Cooper in 1999 is implying in his cover letter that AWD, Allen W. Dulles, was MJ-1, then the burn memo must have been written in 1961.
WHEN DID YOU FIRST HAVE A COPY OF THE BURNED MEMO IN YOUR HAND?
Probably 1999 because Tim Cooper called me about it in June and I think Ryan and I drove back there to see it.
BECAUSE YOU THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT.
Yes.
ANY UNDERSTANDING WHY THE LEAKER SNATCHED THE BURN MEMO FROM THE FIRE?
No. But the leaker apparently was a very senior guy in CIA counterintelligence, a right hand man to James Angleton, meaning the leaker’s name was probably well known. His cover letter was dated June 23, 1999. He might not be alive now. I don’t know. But certainly when the leaker wrote this letter in June 1999, he was a very coherent writer.
WHO WAS CLOSEST TO JAMES ANGLETON IN THE CIA?
I don't know. That's research that needs to be done.
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“The burned memo really tells a fascinating story. JFK is beginning to ask too many questions. We can’t allow this, in pretty much no kidding language. And MJ-1 (CIA Director) is saying, ‘I have some new policies I want you other six guys to agree (MJ-2,MJ-3, MJ-4, MJ-5, MJ-6, MJ-7) and let me know before October (presumed to be October 1963) that they are OK because we are going to put them in place. And these six policies are pretty interesting.
The first Tab A says basically, if the President of the United States starts to ask questions, tell him it’s not a matter of national security. And then at the end it says that if the UFOs show up suddenly and we have to admit they are there, then we’ll give full disclosure as the law requires, which amazes me because that implies there is a law that says they (MJ-12) are supposed to disclose something. As far as I can tell so far, MJ-12 has not operated within any law.
TO ME, THE MEMO IMPLIES THAT MJ-12 ALREADY KNOWS THAT UFOS DISPLAY HOSTILE INTENT AND WHAT THEY ARE MAKING A DISTINCTION IN THIS TAB A IS: ‘IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT THAT UFOS OVERTLY DISPLAY HOSTILE INTENT’ – OVERTLY WOULD MEAN PUBLICLY.
THE WORDS IMPLY THAT MJ-12 ALREADY KNOWS THERE HAS BEEN HOSTILE INTENT TOWARDS THE NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES.
I read it without the word ‘overtly’ in my mind. But if you put in the word ‘overtly,’ you can attach your meaning to it, too. So, I would not dispute your interpretation.
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Tab C is interesting for two reasons. First, it affirms the existence of SCEO (Sensitive Compartmented Executive Order) and also makes clear that apparently it's the 54/12 program that is exempt from that. Otherwise, all of the Department of Defense has no access to anything on MJ-12.
SO, MJ-12 WAS UNDER THE CONTROL OF ANGLETON IN THE CIA'S COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE?
I would say that’s what this memo implies. However, I would be quick to add that there are a lot of agencies in the United States and it is clear that the U. S. Navy had played a lead role in the past. And I believe it was the U. S. Army that retrieved the Cape Girardeau, Missouri, crash (1941). So, all these agencies had been snapping away to get control of the (E. T.) technologies by themselves. The CIA wound up with control of the official program for MJ-12, but I think there are other little pockets of UFO work in all the agencies – some of which were perhaps cleared for MJ-12 access and some, which were not.
ALL COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER BECAUSE THEY WANTED ADVANCED EXTRATERRESTRIAL TECHNOLOGIES?
Yes, I think so. That’s right. They were not caring about the public. They wanted the technologies.
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I think a number of people have concurred that President Eisenhower lost control to the MJ-12 program. The MJ program did things the way they wanted. In fact, that was the time that MJ-12 allegedly started to go and put some of the civilian contractors in charge – sort of took MJ-12 research out of the government and made the government clean so that when you ask the government, ‘What do you know about MJ-12?’ The honest answer is, ‘We don’t know squat.’
YOU MEAN PUTTING MJ-12 OUT INTO CORPORATIONS LIKE BECHTEL?
Yeah, putting some of the responsibilities out into the corporations so the paperwork was not under government control and they could use security systems that separated it from the government.
THIS MIGHT RELATE TO PRESIDENT EISENHOWER’S WARNING WHEN HE WENT OUT OF OFFICE ABOUT THE ‘MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX’?
Yes, I think so.
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BUT TAB A IS ABOUT KEEPING ALL OF THIS KNOWLEDGE FROM ‘LANCER’.
Exactly. And Lancer in his November 12, 1963, letter is basically saying he’s going to start a program to share all this stuff with the Soviet Union. That scared the hell out of them (MJ-12)!
THAT WOULD BE THE REASON THAT YOU SUSPECT JFK WAS ASSASSINATED BY THE CIA THROUGH SOMEBODY?
Yes. Actually jumping to the bottom line: As far as I know, this ‘burned memo’ is the only document that I’ve ever heard anyone claim could be the authorization to kill President John F. Kennedy. It’s written evidence that could be entered into a court as the authorization to kill Kennedy.
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So, Tab F re-affirms that ‘the authorization to interrogate and detain any and all targets.’ Basically that says that none of the basic rights that we thought we had apply in this area.
THAT THE U. S. CONSTITUTION WAS NOT EVEN BEING RESPECTED BACK IN THE EARLY 1960S, AS FAR AS MJ-12 WAS CONCERNED.
Precisely. That’s an excellent way to put it. Yes. Tab F is overt evidence that the U. S. Constitution was being ignored.
WHAT WE DON’T KNOW IS EXACTLY WHAT PROJECT PSYOP IS AND WHO IT WAS UNDER?
That’s certainly true, yes. I was just assuming that Project PSYOP was the sort of general project that tried to cleverly contain, using psychological operations that were standard. In other words, keeping the public in the dark (about E. T.s) using subtle techniques, such as movies created to attune the public to various (E. T.-related) ideas and advertisements and false press releases – the whole genera of things the psyops guys use to keep us in the public confused.
IF THERE WERE AN EYEWITNESS WITH PHOTOGRAPHS AND VIDEOTAPE, THEN THIS ‘GREEN’ UNIT WOULD HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION TO INTERROGATE AND DETAIN ANY AND ALL TARGETS?
Yes, UFO history is filled with excellent records of two or three guys in black taking away an eyewitness’s stuff and interrogating them and telling the eyewitness/es that nothing happened.
HOW IRONIC THAT THE MEN IN BLACK MIGHT HAVE BEEN WORKING DIRECTLY FOR PROJECT GREEN.
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[ Editor's Note: Wikipedia - “Project ARTICHOKE was a CIA project that researched interrogation methods and arose from project BLUEBIRD on August 20, 1951, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence. A memorandum by Richard Helms to CIA director Allen Welsh Dulles indicated ARTICHOKE became Project MKULTRA on April 20, 1953.
The project studied hypnosis, forced morphine addiction (and subsequent forced withdrawal), and the use of other chemicals, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects.
ARTICHOKE was an offensive program of mind control that gathered together the intelligence divisions of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and FBI. In addition, the scope of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, ‘Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?’
Project MK-ULTRA, or MKULTRA, was the code name for a covert CIA mind-control and chemical interrogation research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence, that began in the early 1950s and continued at least through the late 1960s. There is much published evidence that the project involved the surreptitious use of many types of drugs, as well as other methodology, to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.
Project MK-ULTRA was first brought to wide public attention in 1975 by the U.S. Congress, through investigations by the Church Committee, and by a presidential commission known as the Rockefeller Commission. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973. The Church Committee and Rockefeller Commission investigations relied on the sworn testimony of direct participants and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Helms' destruction order.
Although the CIA insists that MK-ULTRA-type experiments have been abandoned, 14-year CIA veteran Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA routinely conducts misinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a ‘cover story.’
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At this point, you have to go back to the scenario that was involved. I would presume that the scenario involved is that MJ-1 is dictating this burned memo to a secretary. He, MJ-1, does not want the secretary to know that he is saying, ‘We ought to kill JFK.’
So MJ-1 was using arcane language to conceal that from the secretary, but all of his (MJ-12) readers would know exactly what he meant. So, that’s my speculation on the phrase, ‘it should be wet.’
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At this point, you have to go back to the scenario that was involved. I would presume that the scenario involved is that MJ-1 is dictating this burned memo to a secretary. He, MJ-1, does not want the secretary to know that he is saying, ‘We ought to kill JFK.’
So MJ-1 was using arcane language to conceal that from the secretary, but all of his (MJ-12) readers would know exactly what he meant. So, that’s my speculation on the phrase, ‘it should be wet.’
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Part 4: Original Carbon of Scorched Memo Links
Government UFO Cover-Up and JFK Assassination
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“I specifically want Project JEHOVAH director
Professor Albert Einstein and Doctor Robert Oppenheimer to inject
any useful comments to the briefing as they are most informed
on the physics related to the subject.” - Dwight D. Eisenhower,
34th President of the United States, January 20, 1953 to January 20, 1961
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First, was the official UFO phenomenon research by a Canadian engineer named Wilbert Brockhouse Smith, who in the early 1950s was Director of Project Magnet in Canada's Department of Transport. Canadian UFO historian and researcher Grant Cameron discovered a Department of Transport document originally classified TOP SECRET about the subject of “Geo-Magnetics.” Project Magnet was an official investigation of the “flying saucers” and the theory that their mode of propulsion utilized the magnetic fields of the earth and solar system.
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Page 2 of November 4, 1953, Eisenhower memo to Director of
Central Intelligence about MJ-12/Special Studies Project and Project JEHOVAH.
See: http://www.majesticdocuments.com.
It is the bottom paragraph of President Dwight D. Eisenhower's November 4, 1953, letter to the Director of Central Intelligence (Allen W. Dulles) that also mentions Project JEHOVAH as listed in the burned memo references.
“I cannot overemphasize the need for the utmost discretion and understanding in exercising the authority set forth in these documents. Accordingly, I would like you to find some way to brief the various Authorizing Commanders on the subject to ensure that all are of one mind as to the letter and spirit of these instructions. Preferably, I would like to see this done in a closed meeting to be arranged through the Director of the National Security Agency, yourself (Allen W. Dulles), and representatives of the MJ-12/Special Studies Project. I specifically want Project JEHOVAH director Professor Albert Einstein and Doctor Robert Oppenheimer to inject any useful comments to the briefing as they are most informed on the physics related to the subject. Perhaps the annual Quantico conference could provide an opportunity to do this without the publicity which would call attention to a special meeting.
Sincerely,
Dwight D. Eisenhower ”
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Part 5: Original Carbon of Scorched Memo, Project JEHOVAH and Physicists Oppenheimer and Einstein
© 2008 by Linda Moulton Howe
“Now we come to the problem of determining
what to do if the inhabitants of celestrial (sic) bodies, or extraterrestrial
biological entities (EBE), desire to settle here (Earth).”
- Physicists Robert Oppenheimer and Albert Einstein, June 1947.
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Page 2 of November 4, 1953, Eisenhower memo to Director of
Central Intelligence about MJ-12/Special Studies Project and Project JEHOVAH directors
and physicists Albert Einstein, Ph.D., and Robert Oppenheimer, Ph.D.
See: http://www.majesticdocuments.com.Six and a half years before the President Eisenhower memo, in June 1947, the two outstanding physicists referenced as directors of Project JEHOVAH - Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer, Director of Advanced Studies in Princeton, New Jersey; and Professor Albert Einstein at Princeton University, Princeton, New Jersey - co-authored a TOP SECRET DRAFT entitled, “Relationships with Inhabitants of Celestrial (sic) Bodies.” [ Editor's Note: Celestial misspelled. Celestial relates to sky or the heavens. An astronomical object is sometimes referred to as a celestial body; planets are celestial bodies.]
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Vannevar Bush at work in the Office for Emergency Management
(WWII OEM Defense) for President Harry S. Truman administration.
Photograph taken between 1940 - 1944.[ Editor's Note: Vannevar Bush, Ph.D., MIT and Harvard University electrical engineering degrees. He was involved with submarine detection research for the U. S. Navy early in his career. In 1930, Bush and his group at MIT had developed the first machine to solve differential equations. By WWII and thrugh the 1940s, Vannevar Bush was a scientific adviser to President Harry S. Truman, was Chairman of the National Defense Resources Commission (NDRC) and had the MJ-2 position in the Majestic-12 Special Studies Group appointed by President Truman. Vannevar Bush died on June 28, 1974.]
Relationships with Inhabitants
of Celestrial (sic) Bodies
June 1947 Draft by Dr. J. Robert Oppenheimer and Prof. Albert Einstein
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[QUIX NOTE: The above doc is one of the more fascinating that I've read all or part of since I began studying this topic in 1962. I'd retype MORE excerpts (than the paragraphs below) from the photos of the doc but I have other priorities to conserve my time and energy for, tonight. If you have a subscription to LMH, I strongly encourage you to read the doc.]
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1. The idea of exploitation by one celestrial state would be rejcted, they may think it would be advisable to grant it to all others capable of reaching another celestrial body. But this would be to maintain a situation of privilege for these states.
2. The division of a celestrial body into zones and distribution of them among other celestrial states.This would present the problem of distribution. Moreover, other celestrial states would be deprived of the possibility of owning an area, or if they were granted one it would involve complicated operations.
3. Indivisible co-sovereignty, giving each celestrial state the right to make whatever use is most convenient to its interests, independently of the others. This would create a situation of anarchy, as the stronest one would win out in the end.
4. A moral entity? . . .
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MajesticDocuments.com reports that the source of this Oppenheimer-Einstein draft document is Salina, June 1996. Salina is thought to be the daughter of CIA counter-intelligence operative under James Jesus Angleton dubbed “Cantwell,” who has leaked many documents to Timothy Cooper, including the burned memo. See Earthfiles Parts 1-4.
MajesticDocuments.com: “This is probably a copy of a carbon copy of a draft prepared by a secretary from dictation, and the secretary did not know how to spell this word. Generally, forensic examiners find that errors present in documents tend to indicate authenticity instead of lack of authenticity. Fakers usually try to make sure they're perfect. This is a six-page document, single-spaced, pica type. It has an elite type note with initials of Vannevar Bush at the end. This is the first document to use the phrase, ‘Extraterrestrial Biological Entities, or EBEs.’
“This Oppenheimer-Einstein Draft says the presence of unidentified spacecraft is accepted as de facto by the military, and the date is June 1947 - before the alleged crashs of discs or wedge-shaped aerial vehicles in New Mexico. It deals with the subjects that you'd expect competent scientists to deal with; i.e., where do the non-humans come from, what does the law say about it, what should we do, and why are they here? Those are the subjects of this June 1947 six-page document.
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“While the language usage does not reflect the refined writing of Oppenheimer, it is easy to imagine that Einstein, dictating with an accent, might have produced these words. The principal factors favoring authenticity of the Oppenheiimer-Einstein Draft are:
- Literary analysis compares favorably with other Albert Einstein pieces during 1940s such as the use of Latin, German and Jewish words.
- Period manual typewriter.
- Authentic Vannevar Bush handwritten initials ‘VB’ on last page.
- Einstein officially retired from the Institute of Advanced Studies in 1945, but continued to live and work in Princeton, New Jersey, when the draft was written in 1947.“Further, the document suggests that in the event that EBEs desire to settle here on Earth, there will be ‘profound change in traditional concepts’ of law and the possible need for a new ‘Law Among Planetary Peoples.’ There are also propositions concerning the necessary creation of a ‘Cosmic International law’ that would protect the rights of all celestial states to lay claim on otherwise unclaimed solar territories. Finally, the document addresses the presence of celestial astroplanes in our atmosphere as possibly a result of Earth military experiments with nuclear fission and fusion warfare devices. Oppenheimer and Einstein encourage consideration of our potential Earth future situation and safety due to our present and past actions in space. How can we avoid a perilous fate?”
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[QUIX NOTE: Enough for tonight . . . better get some grade entries done for class tomorrow. Blessings. Walk close to God . . . our only Hope in any age and certainly in this one.]
The top went down?
on your convertable?
Can you guesstimate the size?
Thanks much for your post.
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