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Weekly Sci-Fi Thread (02/08/09)
02/08/09 | Kevin Davis

Posted on 02/08/2009 12:21:27 PM PST by KevinDavis

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To: TomGuy
Zarek was up for it; Gaeta wasn’t. Gaeta quickly found himself in over his head.

I disagree with that. Gaeta was up for it, just not Zarek's dark version of it. And I think that at least part of the problem is that the writers of the show realized that if they had made the revolutionaries even a bit more competent that they would have pulled it off, thus in scene after scene we have the revolutionaries giving up without a fight, turned into straw men for the "heroes" to knock over. Zarek had enforcers willing to exterminate the entire Quorum and didn't think to send any of them along with Adama (acknowledged as his biggest threat) to make sure he had an "accident"? Adama escapes capture not once but twice (three times, if you count not dying when the shuttle escaped), the last time with his executioners apparently all giving up without a shot (which happens off camera, so we don't get to see how they pulled this miracle off)? Rosalyn just happens to get a viper pilot who won't shoot at her and the other doesn't shoot until it's too late and she gets away? The chief just happens to run into a sensitive guy who hates "skin jobs" but let him go, anyway, so he can disable the jump drive? No, their plan was solid (including the backup plan to jump away) and the revolution only failed because the writers stacked the deck with one deus ex machina after another to let their "heroes" win in the end.

21 posted on 02/08/2009 4:23:56 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: KevinDavis

For most television shows, the second and maybe third season are usually the best. That’s where they reach their rhythm and know the characters but before they fall into familiar patterns and retreads. As hard as I am on the new BSG, I’ll give it praise for one thing. It’s managed to constantly change from season to season so that it never falls into a rut of being the same old thing over and over again and that’s a trap that all too many science fiction shows fall into.


22 posted on 02/08/2009 4:28:50 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: hattend; KevinDavis
Final Cylon is Tigh’s wife.

They gave it away on this week’s ad for the next episode.

I saw that on the scenes from next week's episode, but I never take that as gospel. There's often misdirection presented on the preview, and frankly I have a hard time believing that they'd spring the big secret in a preview.

She's definitely one of the top suspects though, so it would make sense. As Tigh walked into the surf he had a vision of her being on Earth with him, in a bank vault I believe.

Technically though, I'm still only 99% convinced that what they found was Earth. Until Starbuck found her own 2000 year old mummy I was running at about 50%.

23 posted on 02/08/2009 5:03:07 PM PST by MarineBrat (The New York Times is a Communist Kamikaze.)
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To: Question_Assumptions; All

Case in point that would be Star Trek..


24 posted on 02/08/2009 5:07:00 PM PST by KevinDavis (No one should question our "Dear Leader"!)
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Well. Star Trek suffered from an even worse case of that than normal because, as time went on, it became a genre of it's own and the fanboys and fangirls became authors. I'm currently slightly pessimistic about the new Star Trek movie (the trailer reminds me of this parody from SG-1) but maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised and it will breath new life into the show. Until then, for Star Trek I'm pretty happy watching the classic episodes with new special effects.
25 posted on 02/08/2009 5:52:04 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions

I’m really excited for Dollhouse, but I don’t think it looks creepy at all. As far as the ‘little waifs who kick butt’ part, aside from the fact that I would not call Eliza Dushku ‘little’ or a ‘waif’ by any stretch, why mess with success? The whole premise of the main character being a blank slate personality-wise is pretty interesting (anyone here ever seen the movie Dark City?) and Dushku is a great actress so I’m looking forward to seeing her do something different every week.


26 posted on 02/08/2009 6:03:45 PM PST by Hyzenthlay (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Hyzenthlay

You don’t think the idea of human beings who have their personalities wiped to a child-like state between assignments and then have personalities loaded to please clients with whatever they want doesn’t sound even a little creepy? I’m sure Eliot Spitzer could have had a ball with something like that.


27 posted on 02/08/2009 6:11:27 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: MarineBrat

In the ad, the caption says, “The final Cylon is revealed” and they show Ellen in the Resurrection tub.

It’ll be hard to misdirect that...hehehehe


28 posted on 02/08/2009 6:59:57 PM PST by hattend (Sarah Palin has run a fishing business, a city, and a state. All Obama has done is run his mouth.)
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To: Question_Assumptions

Eh, it’s mostly semantics, I was thinking ‘creepy’ meant ‘suspenseful and scary’ as in some episodes Buffy or Angel like ‘Hush’ and ‘I Fall to Pieces’, and I was thinking that they were meant to be the perfect assassin or spy (they have whatever knowledge they’ll need, they’ll behave exactly the way you want them to, they’ll forget about the job and can’t rat you out after they’re done, etc). From the prespective you mention, yes, it does sound all kinds of sick and twisted.


29 posted on 02/08/2009 7:30:24 PM PST by Hyzenthlay (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: KevinDavis
I liked exposure of Zarek as a liar. They were walking on a thin line with him for a very long time. His rhetoric of democracy and freedom was skillful. Did all viewers cached the glimpses of hypocrisy in him that show producers allowed once in a while, I wonder?

He was shown, finally and quite openly, as a self-serving power-grubber, a revolutionary of a Bolshevik style (or Che style, if you like), a revolutionary with a firing squad.

Not that his critique of the government and its officials was always wrong - it wasn't! This is one of the aspects that made this show so live, true and good.

30 posted on 02/09/2009 5:49:48 AM PST by Tolik
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To: hattend

Yes, BUT - who or what Starbuck is?


31 posted on 02/09/2009 5:51:48 AM PST by Tolik
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To: Tanniker Smith; KevinDavis

I still think that the coup was modeled on the French Revolution, with Gaeta as Robespierre, who historically always insisted that he was carrying out justice, and seemed to believe it. Zarek might reflect the notorious Saint-Just, known as far more bloodthirsty than even Robespierre.


32 posted on 02/09/2009 6:33:47 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Question_Assumptions
(the trailer reminds me of this parody from SG-1)

I can't believe someone took credit for "editing" that clip -- particularly considering that all they did was lift it from the 200th episode, and they didn't even do that very well, either.

33 posted on 02/09/2009 2:56:39 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (The sun glinted off chiseled pectorals sculpted during four weight-lifting sessions each week and...)
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