You are not seriously advocating that, are you? 
Posted on 02/05/2009 10:35:27 AM PST by Mind Freed
This story may have been posted already. If so, sorry for the redundant post
COVINA, Calif. — The ex-husband of one of the nine people killed at a Christmas Eve party has received demands from a landlord to pay the dead woman's rent.
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They knew the woman had been murdered and went after the ex for January’s rent. That’s not just callous. They should have gotten in line with other creditors for the estate. He got his 2 daughters and their things out by January 13th after fighting with the management company for 2 weeks. Do ya think they even waited for the funeral? Read the story!
No, you keep cheering for the idiot landlord.
Is that established? All I see is that the building manager refused comment and the management company didn't pick up the phone.
Seriously, speaking as someone who managed an apartment building in California for a few years, I'll bet you money that this is all strictly on auto-pilot. The on-site manager collects the rents and checks boxes next to the names on a list but is essentially powerless. That list goes to the management company on the third of the month. There's no box for "Tenant was murdered last week." The management company, which runs scores if not hundreds of other apartment complexes, only sees the rent hasn't been paid on that unit and automatically generates the three-day "Pay Rent or Quit" paper, which they send to the people named on the lease. Nothing really sinister or callous, just bureaucratic.
Think it through. If the daughters left January 13th and the ex had been arguing for 2 weeks, they knew in December BEFORE the rent was due. And the ex has a lawyer named Nord. He must have gotten into it too. Please, read the article. This Santa murder was all over the news, are you saying that you honestly believe it escaped the landlord and management company’s notice?
I’m cheering for no one. But I’m glad to hear you believe everything you read in a news article, and fail to ask anything about even obviously missing facts. How discerning.
They were divorced. His name would have been removed from any of her debts as part of the divorce decree. That’s just the way things are done. Credit cards, car loans etc are all divied up. Check your newspaper sometime. You’ll see things like, “I, John Doe, am no longer responsible for the debts of Jane Doe”.
I'm saying that apartment buildings in southern Califonia tend to be operated by management companies who have thousands of tenants. And while everyone might have been aware of the story, they aren't as likely to have said to themselves "I wonder if the murdered woman was one of our thousands of tenants" any more than I looked up her name in my company phone directory to see if she worked there. Run an Anywho search on Alicia Ortiz" in California. The answer you get back is
Unable to return results...Reason: Too many listings were found.
We searched on alicia ortiz in CA which exceeded the maximum number of listings to display.
I've dealt with this stuff, and the way these buildings are run is very cut-and-dried--if the rent isn't collected by a certain date, the three-day notice is issued automatically, one of scores they probably issued the same day.
Same deal with the "unsufficient notice to vacate." It's not personal, it's just another name on the list for someone in a cubicle who has a stack of similar documents to process the same day.
I know. The world has lost civility since dueling was abandoned.
Of course it's not illegal to be a jerkwad, but it should involve some risk that discourages it.
That doesn’t answer that this started around Christmas, before the rent was due. And he “fought them for 2 weeks”? I’d think that in that 2 weeks they would have been told she was murdered. There is no excuse for the callousness. The landlord/manager would be on the premises and know what’s going on. The 2 daughters were in the apartment. They would have told people.
Don’t disagree with your assessment of debt collectors although I would put a property lease holder in a separate class.
Well I don’t have a problem with it either. I read the article and I don’t see how someone who is not listed on the lease has a fiduciary responsibility. Additionally, the guy is an ex-husband so there can be no joint responsibility.
I say take em out on the front lawn and do what you will.
When you sign a lease for rent or a loan they always ask you for a reference of a friend and a relative. In case something happens to you so they can contact them.
As far as the article goes, read carefully:
Okay, since I obviously offended you with my "Insensitive" statement, I'll rephrase it for you. If the landlord/management company know that the woman is dead and are still doing this, they should be publicly beaten.
If that's good enough... STOP BEING SO SENSITIVE!
I think the landlord was trying to take advantage of the emotional state of the ex-husband even though there is no legal basis for his claim.
See, right there you're already off base. The manager on the premises is not the landlord. The manager is just somebody who collects the rents and unlocks the apartments for maintenance people in return for free rent on the worst apartment in the complex. The complex is most likely owned either by a corporation that owns many other complexes and manages them themselves or by some investor who has hired the management company.
Again, this is corporate bureaucracy at work.
Okay, that makes sense.
...in which case he should be dragged outside and publicly beaten.
I will say again, they should have gotten in line to sue her estate. She was divorced. See post 26. Her estate owes the money, not the ex.
You are not seriously advocating that, are you?
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