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To: bdeaner
Whereas anti-psychotics are probably over-used, and inappropriately used in many instances, they can and do help truly psychotic patients. I have personally seen a schizophrenic who thought aliens were after him totally revert to reality and what would pass with pretty much anyone as normal cognition and behavior in about a day after receiving an effective anti-psychotic. Patients who have abnormal brain chemistry can be markedly helped by the right medications. The problem is that psychosis is a wastebasket diagnosis that probably includes a large number of different syndromes and causes. The same drug may work for one person, but be ineffective, harmful, or totally inappropriate for others. Haldol has been way overused and has been given very frequently to elderly patients who became confused during hospitalization. That is inappropriate and very unfortunate.
4 posted on 01/29/2009 6:34:30 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Haldol has been way overused and has been given very frequently to elderly patients who became confused during hospitalization. That is inappropriate and very unfortunate.

While I was typing my first reply I was thinking about how Haldol has been used routinely to manage dementia in nursing homes. It is a terrible drug for the elderly. I agree with you that there is a time and a place for psychotropic medications but I became very frustrated with the treatment of patients in locked mental wards.

7 posted on 01/29/2009 6:48:27 PM PST by Zevonismymuse
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

“Patients who have abnormal brain chemistry can be markedly helped by the right medications.”

Can you name a single scientific study that has identified any abnormal brain chemistry with any identified psychosis or neurosis, and what the specific chemical imbalances are?

You cannot. There has never been one. This is entirely fiction.

Hank


8 posted on 01/29/2009 6:49:03 PM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
The problem is that psychosis is a wastebasket diagnosis that probably includes a large number of different syndromes and causes.

This is a good point. A huge problem is the lack of reliability and validity in the DSM diagnostic system. It's difficult to predict how a particular class of drugs will work, of even if drug treatment is necessary, when there is so much heterogeneity -- and massive error/variability -- in the diagnostic data.
14 posted on 01/29/2009 7:25:34 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

With regard to overuse - the problem as this lay person sees it is that these days, GPs are diagnosing and treating with these drugs with the encouragement of pharamceutical marketing, and psychiatrists are overprescribing all psychotropics (it seems to me that many don’t seem to do much therapy these days, opting instead for drugs as first choice treatment for just about everything).

I can understand use of these in the most severe cases (such as the one you cite), but should someone diagnosed (misdiagnosed, as it turned out) with a lesser mental illness such as bipolar 2 be given a cocktail of antidepressants and anti-psychotics?

I have personal experience with watching someone go from somewhat anxious (enough to warrant a dr visit) to severely anxious, agitated and paranoid (after the introduction of ADs), to downright psychotic and completely disfunctional (after the introduction of antipsychotics).

Here was the progression - zoloft = agitation and insomnia —> wellbutrin = agitation, insomnia, anxiety attacks, racing thoughts, akathisia, paranoia, desperate thoughts —> diagnosis of BP2 + effexor = psychotic reaction + alarmed GP —> lesser effexor dose + risperdal + referral to psychiatrist —> cymbalta + wellbutrin + seroquel = passed out zombie —> cymbalta + wellbutrin + lamictal = increasing neuro effects + job loss —> cymbalta + wellbutrin + depakote = daily neuro effects + mild nightly psychosis —> cymbalta + wellbutrin + the suggestion of lithium, but upon balking of the patient, return to seroquel —> rejection of psychiatric advice, slow weaning off all drugs, second opinion and rejection of initial diagnosis = drug free and happier for it one year later.

I’m sure that sounds crazy, but every word is true, and as a result of my desperate studies on all involved I have to ask, how many low level patients who should just be in therapy to deal with life issues (in this case, the unexpected sudden death of his mother due to a massive stroke combined with a family move and a high pressure sales job) are put on drugs that do nothing but harm them in the long run?

I’m thanking God every day that our experiences were short-lived, because articles such as this one - knowing that these kinds of drugs are the most prescribed class in America today, knowing that at least 10% of the entire US population is on psychotropics of some kind, knowing that these drugs are often prescribed for off-label use for things such as bipolar 2, chronic pain, and incontinence, for Pete’s sake - are downright frightening.

(This article deals with anti-psychotics, but studies on the effects of messing with seratonin levels are just as alarming.)

In severe cases are they a good idea? Sure, maybe. In such a large percentage of the general population? Not on your life. Or should I say, not on their lives.


49 posted on 01/30/2009 7:12:51 AM PST by agrace
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