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To: bdeaner
maybe you should try not to be less proud of your bigotry toward Muslims.

9/11 taught me all I need to know about Islam.

36 posted on 01/29/2009 10:28:24 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
9/11 taught me all I need to know about Islam.

That's like saying the Spanish Inquisition taught you all you need to know about Christianity.

I suspect your psychology is not that different from the guys who rammed those planes into the towers on that day. It's ultimately about hate -- a willingness to de-humanize a whole class of people and to take pride in ignorance.
37 posted on 01/29/2009 11:06:08 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
,b>Luke 6:27-36

[27] "But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, [28] bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. [29] If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. [30] Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. [31] Do to others as you would have them do to you.

[32] "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. [33] And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. [34] And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. [35] But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. [36] Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
38 posted on 01/29/2009 11:09:45 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
The Arabs are descents of Ishmael, who is described in the Old Testament:

Ishmael, meaning God hears, was the son of Abraham and Hagar, the Egyptian maid of his wife Sarah. When Sarah had found herself not having children, she arranged to have a child with Abraham by Hagar acting as a surrogate mother (Genesis 16:1-4), even though God had specifically stated that a child (i.e. Isaac) would be born to Sarah in due time.

Ishmael was born at Mamre, when Abraham was 86, 11 years after Abraham's arrival in what would become the land of Israel (Genesis 16:3). He grew up to be a man of the desert wilderness, with a wild and hostile attitude toward people, exactly as God described him to his mother before he was born:

"Behold, you are with child, and shall bear a son; you shall call his name Ishmael; because The Lord has given heed to your affliction. He shall be a wild ass of a man, his hand against every man and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell over against all his kinsmen." (Genesis 16:11-12 RSV).

When a feast was held to celebrate the weaning of Isaac, who was born 13 years later, Ishmael caused trouble by insulting and mocking his little brother (Genesis 21:8-9). After Sarah, who by then had come to dislike both Hagar and Ishmael, saw what he was doing, she said to Abraham "Cast out this slave woman with her son; for the son of this slave woman shall not be heir with my son Isaac." (Genesis 21:10 RSV)

Abraham opposed Sarah's demand - despite Ishmael's difficult personality, Abraham loved him and did not want to see him go. God however settled the matter:

"But God said to Abraham, "Be not displeased because of the lad and because of your slave woman; whatever Sarah says to you, do as she tells you, for through Isaac shall your descendants be named. And I will make a nation of the son of the slave woman also, because he is your offspring." (Genesis 21:12-13 RSV)


Hagar and Ishmael were sent away, but they were not abandoned. God appeared and spoke to Hagar, assuring her that He would watch over them and see them prosper (Genesis 21:17-19). "And God was with the lad, and he grew up; he lived in the wilderness, and became an expert with the bow. He lived in the wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt" (Genesis 21:20-21 RSV).

Interpretation: Islam is the result of Abraham's sin. He did not have faith in God, but was inpatient, and slept with Sarah's slave woman, fearing that Sara could not become pregnant, as the Lord predicted. We reap what we sow. Salvation history demands that we resolve things with Islam peacefully, or else we make God a liar, for He promised Islam a place at the table. What are we Christians to do with that little problem? Not an easy one, and it is all too convenient to hate Islam because then that gives the appearance of resolving the problem -- yet the problem remains -- and will remain, until the Lord works out His salvation History according to His plan. I have faith He will not lead us astray, if we have faith in Him.

Of course, this is completely unrelated to this thread and probably belongs in another forum, but nevertheless...there it is.
39 posted on 01/29/2009 11:18:18 PM PST by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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