Said LeGrande:
By your own logic, the Sun can't appear to continue moving ...
That's a lie about my own logic
... if the actual and apparent position are only 20 arcseconds apart (or at least not more than 20 arcseconds anyway, which is miniscule.) Which is it mrjesse?
The sun only
appears to move at 2.1 degrees per 8.3 minutes - it doesn't
really move at that rate! It appears to move at that rate because the earth rotates at that rate.
Does the Sun appear to continue to move across the sky for 8.3 minutes or does the Sun appear to stop in the sky until the light goes out?
The light still coming from the sun will appear to come from the same place (+/- 20 arc sec) that the sun actually is regardless of whether the sun is oni at the moment. And it will continue to
appear to move at 2.1d/8.3m because the earth continues to rotate. You're super confused on that one I think.
Said MrJesse: The fact that LeGrande refuses to answer the my question ("What if the sun were 12 light hours away..") and refuses (or is unable) to provide a single supporting scientific article - these facts tell me that LeGrande must know that he's wrong and is therefor intentionally knowingly lying.
Responded LeGrande: I have answered the question. You are the one that is lying mrjesse. You also have the tools to answer the question yourself.
You have many times told me that I'm lying and not once provided any evidence of what I said that wasn't true. And you have many times told me that you answered my question, but you have never pointed out just where it was that you answered my question and I don't remember you answering my question.
So why not be a man and instead of just saying that I'm lying or just saying that you answered my question -- how about point to where you did answer my question and point out where I actually did lie?
And if you really believe that you're telling the truth when you claim that for an observer on earth at a point in time the sun will appear 2.1 degrees behind it's actual and gravitational position -- then why not apply the same math to Pluto? I mean, our own Pluto! Orbits the sun just like we do! Only a maximum of 6.8 light hours away! Can be seen with the right kind of telescope!
And in case you forgot what my question was, here it is again:
At an instant in time for an observer on earth when Pluto is 6.8 light hours away and the earth rotates 102 degrees in 6.8 hours - roughly what would the difference be between apparent and actual position? Would our own Pluto really be below the horizon at the moment we could see it directly overhead?
Again, same question different planet:
At an instant in time for an observer on earth looking at a relatively stationary and bright heavenly body that was 12 light hours away and above the earth's equator - roughly how lagged would the apparent position be from the actual position? Would it's gravity really pull to the east at the moment hat it appeared in the west?
With all the stuff you've written on this topic, with all the strange examples you've given, there's really no reason to not just answer the above two questions. I've answered your questions but you're using them to buy time. If you didn't have time to answer these simple questions, then you wouldn't have written the volumes that you have.
-Jesse
The sun only appears to move at 2.1 degrees per 8.3 minutes - it doesn't really move at that rate! It appears to move at that rate because the earth rotates at that rate. That is correct. It is apparent motion, just like when you are driving and watching the trees go by. That is why I used the statement 'apparent' position. Why don't we define apparent, from the Merriam Webster Dictionary. "1 : open to view : visible 2 : clear or manifest to the understanding 3 : appearing as actual to the eye or mind 4 : having an indefeasible right to succeed to a title or estate 5 : manifest to the senses or mind as real or true on the basis of evidence that may or may not be factually valid — ap·par·ent·ness Listen to the pronunciation of apparentness \-nəs\ noun synonyms apparent , illusory , seeming , ostensible mean not actually being what appearance indicates. apparent suggests appearance to unaided senses that may or may not be borne out by more rigorous examination or greater knowledge (the apparent cause of the accident)."
Now let us look at what I said. I said that the apparent position and the actual position are not the same. Let me change that slightly. The apparent motion and actual motion are not the same. Both statements are synonymous.
Now let us look at what you said again.
The sun only appears to move at 2.1 degrees per 8.3 minutes - it doesn't really move at that rate! It appears to move at that rate because the earth rotates at that rate.
The 'apparent' rate of motion is an illusion (if we are using the sun as our reference point). So you are correct, the Sun only appears to move 2.1 degrees in 8.3 minutes. Which is essentially what I said in the first place. If it appears to be moving and it really isn't, you must be seeing it in a different place than where it actually is.