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To: YHAOS
Yet you seem to think that what you believe ought to be taught in public schools at public expense should just simply naturally occur and never be subject to the turbulence of public policy debate and discussion.

You seem to think that because I've taken a side, I'm in favor of squelching the other side. I'm not. Young Earth Creationists, Flat Earthers, Bigfoot Scholars, all have every right to champion whatever worldview they like, and they have the same rights as anyone else to bring those beliefs to the school board. They should lose, and science classes should be spent teaching science.

258 posted on 01/21/2009 5:28:08 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError
You seem to think that because I've taken a side, I'm in favor of squelching the other side. I’m not.

Still and all, I suspect in the event that a board should adopt any of the unlikely candidates you raise (YEC, Flat Earth, or Bigfoot), you would be in the forefront howling to impeach the board and to take the governing district to court. I really can’t envisage you being content to shrug your shoulders and observe, “Well, it’s their decision, but that sure was dumb and they’ll come to regret it.”

268 posted on 01/21/2009 7:52:37 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: ReignOfError; YHAOS; metmom

They should lose, and science classes should be spent teaching science.


WHY should they lose?

Can you show us what’s not scientific in this observation?

As a chemist, the most fascinating issue for me revolves around the origin of life. Before life began, there was no biology, only chemistry – and chemistry is the same for all time. What works (or not) today, worked (or not) back in the beginning. So, our ideas about what happened on Earth prior to the emergence of life are eminently testable in the lab. And what we have seen thus far when the reactions are left unguided as they would be in the natural world is not much. Indeed, the decomposition reactions and competing reactions out distance the synthetic reactions by far. It is only when an intelligent agent (such as a scientist or graduate student) intervenes and “tweaks” the reactions conditions “just right” do we see any progress at all, and even then it is still quite limited and very far from where we need to get. Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown. But what we do know is the random chemical reactions are both woefully insufficient and are often working against the pathways needed to succeed. For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area.

Edward Peltzer
Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
Associate Editor, Marine Chemistry


277 posted on 01/21/2009 11:06:09 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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