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To: metmom
And nobody is talking about replacing science education with religious instruction.

Yes, you really are. These things are true: (1) creationism/ID is a religious belief that relies upon supernatural explanation, not observable phenomena to explain the natural world. It is not a scientific theory; (2) there is a finite amount of time available to public school teachers to educate children about science; (3) if a religious belief like creationism/ID is taught "alongside" scientific theories in public school classrooms, it is necessarily replacing time that would otherwise have been spent on actual science.

For all the controversy, the best solution would be to eliminate the teaching of evolution in public schools.

Again, we are back to the creationsist/IDer's desire to eliminate a scientific theory from public education simply because it conflicts with their religious beliefs. That is not how public education works.

There’s plenty of biology that can be studied without ever getting anywhere near the topic. The vast majority of students that are required to take Bio will not be using it in the career field of their choice. Even if they go into science, evolution is only a concern in some biological fields.

This shows a shocking lack of understanding about the role of the theory of evolution in modern biology. I do not doubt that many public schools do not adequately teach the theory (many out of a fear of reprisal from creationists/IDers), but to suggest that one of the keystones of modern biology should be hidden from students is a ridiculous notion that only serves to bury kids' heads in the sand to keep them away from ideas you consider dangerous.

182 posted on 01/21/2009 12:59:56 PM PST by Bosh Flimshaw
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To: Bosh Flimshaw; metmom

When you perceive each and every criticism or challenge to evolution as a religious attack, it stops being theory and becomes a religious cult.


199 posted on 01/21/2009 1:27:19 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw

There is plenty of biology at the high school level that can be studied without knowing the current speculations on how one form came from another. High school students spend all of a couple days on evolution, maybe a week at the most. It’s simply not that critical to the study of biology in general. Having a solid knowledge of biology is useful for studying evolution, but evolution is not critical for biology.

Lots of biology was studied before Darwin wrote the Origin of the Species that was not invalidated by his theory. Cell biology, physiology, ecology, can all be studied without knowing HOW the creatures allegedly evolved from each other.

The ToE is not the only theory that can be studied in Biology, or any other science. Not studying the ToE is not going to handicap science majors for life. They can go on and study other theories that are better suited to the scientific method that the ToE.

They can learn what they need to at the college level from far more qualified teachers than your average teaching major.

No doubt some people want evolution removed from the public schools because it conflicts with their religious beliefs, but OTOH, that’s exactly why the atheists want creation removed from the schools, because it conflicts with their belief system.


200 posted on 01/21/2009 1:30:38 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Bosh Flimshaw; metmom

ID is observable though, just like medical miracles are observable that remain unexplained. Scinece is not etched in stone, it’s about exploration.

Limiting science to your ideology as you demand harms science and hinders it, it doesn’t advance it.

And no one gave you the keys.

The only people demanding science somehow be natural, observable and testable are the same ones that give string-theory and multi-verse theory a complete free pass.


208 posted on 01/21/2009 1:43:30 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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