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To: BelegStrongbow

The “oaths” are irrational. Any oath that expresses fidelity to a divinity or to uphold neighbor’s well-being (these being open-ended as is, quite difficult to know what the true objective is), becomes moot when one gives a further oath of obedience to higher-ups (Worshipful Master comes to mind).

Freemasons are bound to their leaders. The sect or lodge is only as responsive to their other oaths as their leaders.

As the apparent leaders of the local lodge are with same obedience oath(s) to the further central lodge leader(s), the whole system is prone to personal opinion(s) of said leader(s). You must know if you are out of high school that a major contention of critics is that even those inner-circle lodge “grandmasters” are subject to the rule of yet others. Thus on using logic-in-obedience-lineage alone, there cannot be objective, immutable definition of God and Country in freemasonry. Nor can there be objective truth as to God and Country on the merits of the concepts alone. God has revealed Himself as being (the) God of Popes and Saints, and lodges have near always been at war with each other over what you describe as “patriotism”.

Masons can be very noble patriots, as we see with so many of the US Founding Fathers, but the system finally breaks down, as we see today, eh! It is “godless”, finally. We have organized satanism being accepted in US prisons as “religion”, just as an example.

What I’d really like to know is what your count is on Mason signatories of the US Constitution (39 total signatories). Some put it as low as 9, another as high as 20, most around 12.


224 posted on 01/19/2009 6:41:54 PM PST by BonRad (As Rome goes so goes the world)
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To: BonRad

I am not participating in this. I have left this thread. I know better than to communicate with any of you any longer.


225 posted on 01/19/2009 7:52:59 PM PST by BelegStrongbow (Hypocrisy never bothers the hypocrite)
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