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To: Cvengr

Where do you get your false information?


188 posted on 01/19/2009 5:22:33 AM PST by lonestar
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To: lonestar
Where do you get your false information?

A typical masonic response.

For those reading, not cognizant of masonic teachings, observe carefully the implications being made in the query and statements of the masons.

First, I have not provided any false information, so the query itself is based upon a framework of deception for it assumes false information is being provided.

Secondly, it places in the onus on the reader, the respondent. If I were to reference the post to which he replies as being a source of information he has labled as false, it isn't he who has accountability for the information being discussed (at least in the adversarial masonic perspective).

The reply was to the following statement.

Reconciliation to God is through faith alone in Christ alone. Something not welcome within the Masonic community.

The reply implies the statement is false or that it is based upon false information, or neither of the two (something along the lines of: When did you stop beating your wife?).

Please note that this is a typical masonic trained handling of worldly situations. It contrives an argument where none exists. Instead of taking a situation to glorify Christ, it takes opportunity to promote self, worldliness, works, or any other distraction away from Christ, and where possible rewards any and all things antiChristian with worldliness and power. It doesn't promote faith in Christ, but it does promote judgment, adversarial manipulation, and appeal to glorify the Adversary. (This is, BTW, one main reason why many believers consider freemasonry to be satanic. Interestingly, high level Masons will debate amongst themselves as to if their Masonic studies are forays into Luciferianism or Satanism, go figure.)

The first portion of the post in question is standard Christian theology, well grounded in Catholic, Protestant, Reformed and Dispensational theologies. The devil's advocate would argue the point and allude it is false.

The second half of the statement is that faith alone in Christ alone is not welcome within the Masonic community. Again, the devil's advocate would deny this so as to deceive believers into entering a system of false works, encouraging faith in anything but through Christ. If not to entice believers, the devil's advocate would also work to deceive unbelievers into a system of works dedicated to studying mechanisms to prop up one another in a worldly system of advancement between their brethren.

In both situations, a counterfeit system of order is promoted independent of faith through Christ.

Let's look at another possible meaning. The reply is from a Mason who is simply frustrated that the system of works he's involved in, isn't received by other Christians in the fashion he had anticipated in his thinking. Reality conflicts with his self image of his efforts. He recognizes he has been involved in works which he intended to be good and expects rewards for his good work. He is patient for his due, but when exposed to the light that reward might not be forthcoming, falls back onto that which is good in his own eyes, instead of what God provides. So perhaps the query is that of an frustrated adolescent who doesn't know how to respond through faith in Christ, but only by labeling that which he opposes as false.

If this is the case, then the query is merely one of a spoiled child.

One last possibility is one of probing for information with malintent, to cause future harm to those with whom he disagrees. Masons are also known for extortion, threatening, and assassination in order to advance their personal empires and those causes they find righteous in their own eyes. Again, consequent to thinking independently of faith through Christ, the quest is to form a cosmic system of worldly order. Such an order if independent of faith through Christ, is also appealing for a lust for power.

To answer the question directly, I have not provided false information. Secondly, I reiterate I have provided a testimony, not an accusation.

If the situation were as you allege, of honest and honorable men faithfully serving Christ by faith alone in Him alone in the Masonic service, there would have been a joyous welcome of my testimony, instead of attack upon my veracity. The Adversarial heart belies its deceptive counterfeit.

192 posted on 01/19/2009 6:35:23 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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