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To: Coyoteman

We have identified various forces in the universe. Are we sure we have identified all of them?

What if there is an X force that is unmeasurable but creates order out of chaos?

Scientists refusal to consider that another force may be involved because it comes too close to invoking a theistic solution may blind them from discovering the existence of a force that could explain some of the questions regarding probability or rather improbability.


7 posted on 01/08/2009 8:22:12 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Great post. Well illustrated in this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc&feature=related
Ben Stein vs. Richard Dawkins Interview


8 posted on 01/08/2009 8:27:05 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: Raycpa
According to Spinoza every particular thing or being is a modification of infinite substance, i.e. of God. It expresses itself by each of his attributes, in particular that of extension and that of thought. The first is its bodily existence in space and time, the second is - in the case of living man or animal - mind. But to Spinoza any inanimate bodily thing is at the same time also 'a thought of God', that is, it exists in the second attribute as well. We encounter here the bold thought of universal animation, though not for the first time, not even in Western philosophy. Two thousand years earlier the Ionian philosophers acquired from it the surname of hylozoists. After Spinoza the genius of Gustav Theodor Fechner did not shy at attributing soul to a plant, to the earth as a celestial body, to the planetary system, etc. I do not fall in with these fantasies, yet I should not like to have to pass judgement as to who has come nearer to the deepest truth, Fechner or the bankupts of rationalism. - Mind and Matter by Erwin Schroedinger

Erwin Schroedinger, dear friends! Speaking of the "bankrupts of rationalism"!

24 posted on 01/08/2009 9:36:49 PM PST by dr_lew
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