1972: the 9820A: http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp9820.htm
1973: the 9830A in BASIC: http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp9830.htm
1974: (same job) I moved up to a Data General Nova mini, in assembly and FORTRAN.
THEN, at college, it was the IBM-360...
Posted on 01/07/2009 6:01:51 AM PST by ShadowAce
Check out NDISwrapper. It’s a kludge, but it does work. Or get a different wireless card.
Just what is “better” about OpenSolaris than Linux? I use (regular) Solaris from time to time (I have it installed in VMware on my Linux laptop), but it is kind of a pain. The default userland tools are absolute rubbish. ZFS is nice, but for most people, it’s not something they’d ever use, particularly in a desktop/workstation environment.
My last command-line installation was several distributions (and years) ago. All GUI now, through Adept Manager.
Yah. It's better to hold it with both hands when driving nails.
A link sys what? It probably depends upon the distribution, in any event. Kubuntu and Xubuntu have drivers for a number of common WiFi chipsets.
There is a learning curve, there's a book on Amazon that explains installing 8.04 and setting it up completely. Very simple to do for beginners, using it. 8.04 much lower maintenance and better suited for daily use.
One thing I haven't caught on to with 8.04, is there a good tutorial out there that explains how to set up different wireless cards that don't work automatically with Network Manager?
Meaning, what are the steps to take when a card doesn't work?...Appreciate any info on that.
Newbies. *\;-) I "started" with IBM 360 & JCL (loved the "online" Wilbur editor, hated JCL), "graduated" to ASR33 Teletype, ROM-based CLI/Assembler w/4k RAM and Tarbell controller (you told it which track to store your code on), then to CP/M (and WordStar, though Ed was okay) before suffering with DOS and its hated EDLIN.
There are forums for such questions. I've had to use them in the past -- sometimes I had to sign up and ask myself, sometimes somebody else has already asked and been answered. I won't say the system is perfect, but I've often found answers to my questions there.
I tried that wubi.
Nice installer.
But....
It did install Ubuntu dual boot.
I booted into Ubuntu. It finally loaded, but stopped at some $$$ command line.
I have no idea where to go from there. [That is a major problem if Linux people expect non-users to ever convert.]
I finally found a command line ‘help’. It was useless. It had Linux terminology without explanations.
I just wanted to get to the Ubuntu Desktop.
Couldn’t figure out how. It did give an http for help.ubuntu. That was sort of useless because Ubuntu desktop didn’t load, so I finally had to reboot in Windows.
In Windows, the help.ubuntu.com tells how to do things on the Ubuntu Desktop — which was useless because I couldn’t find any way to load the desktop on start up.
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That is why Linux has a long way to go before replacing Windows.
Linux needs user — not technobabble — documentation. It is reminiscent of the early PC days when the PC came with the technical reference manual and no user documentation. [I used to write user documentation for PCs in the mid-late 80s.]
I, like many users, am just not sure I want to take allot of time to learn a whole new system. With all of its problems Windows loads, goes to a menu, and allows you to select from there.
Ubuntu took me to a $$$command line — without any hint of acceptable commands.
I'm using PCLinuxOS 2007, which is a bit long in the tooth. But it was the first Linux distro that didn't force me to learn the command line. I tried Ubuntu, Knoppix, Suse, and a couple of others before I tried PCLOS. It works without any hassle.
I once opened the command line, out of curiosity. Other than that I have not done anything whatsoever with the CL. Synaptic is so simple to install new stuff, tried and tested for MY distro, why would I want to use the CL? I'm no Linux purist looking down my nose in a snobby fashion. I'm just glad to not put out a hundred bucks every time I pick up a used computer with no OS....
I was looking for a Windows replacement, and I found it. I don't want to learn programming, command line, or any of that. I want to turn on the computer and use it. PCLinuxOS was the only one I tried that I could do just that. I'm anxiously waiting for the 2009 version.
I am very tired of the Ubuntu=Linux mentality. Ubuntu is okay, I suppose. I hated it, but it is the best marketed distro, so whatever.
I do have a beef with USB wireless adapters under Linux. All the cheap Netgear WG111T adapters I bought don't work under Linux natively and take a bunch of work to get going. I bought other wireless adapters instead. The Netgear bits work well under Windows and I still have Windows on a couple of computers, so I can still use them. I'm waiting to see if the newest Linux Kernel addresses these. Suse 11.1 found my Belkin USB wireless adapter, so there's hope.
My favorite DOS based editor was "Edix". Part of a program called "Profession Writers Package". From the "ix" part of its name you could surmise it was written by some ex Bell Labs types.
I started with TRS-80 Model I BASIC, then spent 14 years on COBOL/JCL/ISPF
"graduated" to ASR33 Teletype, ROM-based CLI/Assembler w/4k RAM and Tarbell controller (you told it which track to store your code on), then to CP/M (and WordStar, though Ed was okay) before suffering with DOS and its hated EDLIN.
After that, I went to Windows C, and Linux programming/admin.
1972: the 9820A: http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp9820.htm
1973: the 9830A in BASIC: http://www.hpmuseum.org/hp9830.htm
1974: (same job) I moved up to a Data General Nova mini, in assembly and FORTRAN.
THEN, at college, it was the IBM-360...
Just read the thread all the way through.
WOW, were you right! Man what a vicious bunch. The searing flames and hew and cry of heresy nearly burned up my monitor.
I mean, when that guy said Solaris was "kind of a pain"... I can't believe his post wasn't removed by a moderator.
Oh, and then another poster called another "old"
Just... wow.
I’ve been switching over from PC to Mac. Still have one PC computer for my wife. She plays solitaire on it.
I have a spare PC minus a monitor sitting around.
Might get a monitor and fire it up w/ Linux just for giggles.
I tried a live CD of Ubuntu some time ago and liked it but was afraid to dual boot. Now that I really don’t need the PC machine I might try it.
BTW, I had to fiddle around w/ a PC last week and realized that the Mac was sooooo much easier to use.
I’m thankful I switched. Now I turn the computer on and use it.
THANKS FOR A GREAT BUNCH OF MATERIAL.
My Acer Linux Aspire just arrived. Haven’t tried connecting it to the net.
Anyone got one? Any tips?
NONSENSE.
Have had a terminal or computer in my home since 1976.
How many 62 year old laymen can say that?
I’m not a NooooB
I have fought with Microslop for 20 years.
It’s sloppy code; cheeky hostility to !!!!CUSTOMERS!!!!! [only belatedly altered by pressures from Linux] . . . it’s refusal to use it’s megabucks super brainpower etc. to write some software to debug; prevent; evaluate; tune-up it’s operating systems and other software . . .
just blinking outrageous cheekiness unparalleled in my experience with any other company.
I have no sympathy for Microslop AT ALL.
They deserve all the hits they get and then some.
More likely . . . stuck on bias, pride, stubbornness.
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