Posted on 01/02/2009 7:01:31 PM PST by Dysart
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If the cartoonist animated that one - he must have been trying to beat you to doing it!
The cartoonist who made that beat me all to heck and back!
I’ll never understand how that gif can only be 192KB and be so nice and smooth. I haven’t checked the number of frames but if I tried that it would be tons of frames and MEGS in size probably.
Very interesting. It appears they can get the color breeding to normal color shepherds.
Yes.
LOL!
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Only 192K
I can text it at G-W if under 234K for number of frames and view each frame
I couldn’t tell you. Don’t know all details.
He’s a nice dog but you pay alot of money for an alleged “quality” German German Shepherd, and wait a good while. She was in AZ, whereas we’re in MD. Long ship. Plus, I’m not convinced the dog is 100% German/European. He is “skinny” as the worst American types (and presumably huge ears more prone to flopping), although he has a roach back like the Euros. My guess would be half-type, not pure. I’d be looking for fraud too.
Of course, the father of her local breeder/trainer (former and wife killed themselves - long story) was her b/t prior. He was good at heart but a) he judged my half-type pup unreliable and poor because she failed the gun test - so much for his judgement of the greatest dog I ever even heard of b) gave Sis 2 pups prior to the “good” 1 (full of allergies), 1 of whom just wasn’t a good guard, the 2nd too much - he went after and bit a neighbor’s plumber on their yard when he was loose in her garage.
I have little faith in other people about what I like. Hence why I HATE the trend of “let ‘the professional’ pick it” and “put money down and we’ll have a dog for you in 3 years”. Screw that.
Maybe not a Collie tail, but still seems a bit of a Collie body - even moreso in that view. Complete with black-tipped fawn golden fawn hair (sable) with some pattern on the back.
“The gene that codes for the white coloration may be a gene that dilutes normal coloration.”
Complete and utter nonsense. “These animals most often have normal skin coloration and dark eyes, however many breeders associate the white coloration with skin, eye, or ear problems.”
Those breeders are idiots, and so are the registries. Plenty of “experimental” evidence through the ages to show it’s not so.
“most breeders only breed solid black or black/brown/tan (agouti) colored animals.”
Too bad “agouti” is sable, or sabling of the base coat, and is considered separate from true base black&tan
“White color in the German Shepherd has been controversial since the origin of the breed and the white German Shepherds are not permitted to be registered in Germany.”
Von Stephanitz preferred darker colors (too easily a white could be seen at night), but I don’t think he really pushed to eliminate/exclude light. He may have contradicted himself, but he many times wrote that always the working ability should be paramount, and not looks for show.
“In Germany, the color transmission has been considered to be a recessive albino trait.”
So much for German brilliance. Albinos have no pigment, not just in hair but in nose, skin and eyes. Idiots. Whenever the elites on the Euro side tell us how great their system is, all we have to do is remind them that the SV system thinks “white” German Shepherds are albinos. Not.
Everyone has a different opinion. I am not a genetic expert; however I can tell you this.
I have heard all of the stories that this can’t be regarding the Panda Shepherd. It can’t possibly be anything but a mix, border collie most likely or at the very least a designer breed. It’s a junk breed; she’s in it for the money. LOL You know how it goes. Nope, the breed founder was just as surprised when it happened as anyone would be. She did not invent this. It happened and she took the necessary steps to see what did happen. We have done everything possible to ensure that the Panda Shepherd is and will be a reputable breed.
I do agree that white shepherds are not albinos. Any vet will tell you the white ones born are much healthier and stronger than the colored ones.
Here’s one for you. I have a good friend who raises bloodhounds. His last litter contained 3 red puppies. They have records beginning on both sides, the mother and father, that go all the way back to the beginning of these lines and that’s go back a long way; there is not one single red puppy except for these.
Ain’t genetics grand? LOL
If you know what you want, you will find a breeder who will sell it to you (or breed your own). In general, most of my puppies end up in pet homes, and a large percentage of pet buyers just want either the most active puppy (which will probably make them crazy, but it depends on their lifestyle) or the first one that comes to them, or the prettiest one. I have rarely had anyone argue with me about it, but a few have and we agreed that they would look elsewhere for a puppy. It’s ok with me if my system doesn’t work for someone, there are plenty of other puppies out there. My biggest goal is that the puppy gets placed in a suitable home and lives it’s entire life there. I have had a few come back thru the years, mostly because kids grew up and lost interest in the dog. But, it’s rare.
However, if you are a performance person, you will likely know what you’re looking for in a puppy, and that’s a different kettle of fish.
Is there any connection with deafness in white GSD? I know in some breeds there is, but I don’t know much about GSD.
Long ago I was interested in conformation and obedience; never more. I’m “interested” but only as a spectator. My prime interest is always so-called “pet” quality. I got a great dog as a teen (although she wasn’t good for show) looking for a confident pup, and allowing myself to be panicky about timing, I got less than great now. (She’s OK, but even as a pup was nothing like the old dog never mind as mature.) I know if I insisted on the confident happy pup again I’d get what I want (at least as far as character).
As far as I know, absolutely not. I think that’s a problem of true whiteness (albinism) and a myth perpetuated by people who don’t like it and believe anything truly bad (as opposed to “we just don’t like the way it looks”) is associated with it.
It’s all horse-hockey.
No, actually there is honest to goodness science behind deafness/white. It has to do with the cells migrating to the neural crest very early in development. I couldn’t begin to explain it, but it’s not hooey. However, it’s NOT associated with all types of white, and I don’t think it’s associated with albinism. I think (memory is getting old!) that it’s associated with extreme white piebald. There are some very interesting things out there on coat color.
There are also lethal genes associated with merle color.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1617113
Congenital deafness has been reported for approximately 80 breeds, with the list growing at a regular rate (see list of Dog Breeds with Reported Congenital Deafness); it can potentially appear in any breed but especially those with white pigmentation. Deafness may have been long-established in a breed but kept hidden from outsiders to protect reputations. The disorder is usually associated with pigmentation patterns, where the presence of white in the hair coat increases the likelihood of deafness. Two pigmentation genes in particular are often associated with deafness in dogs: the merle gene (seen in the Collie, Shetland Sheepdog, Dappled Dachshund, Harlequin Great Dane, American Foxhound, Old English Sheepdog, and Norwegian Dunkerhound among others) and the piebald gene (Bull Terrier, Samoyed, Greyhound, Great Pyrenees, Sealyham Terrier, Beagle, Bulldog, Dalmatian, English Setter). However, not all breeds with these genes have been reported to be affected.
http://www.offa.org/deafgeninfo.html
As you said, “*types* of white”. Generally animals with dark skin anywhere are not considered true white. Shepherds always have dark noses and pads, etc.
BTW, since you mention piebald, and then merle, I have to ask if there is a difference. I’ve always known merles, being a Collie fancier too, and any dog I saw colored like that I called “merle”. Then along comes my husband who loves Dachshunds and tells me about all these weird “outlawed” colors I never heard of even when I was at shows! (Of course, ever since, now we see them everywhere in real life!) He showed me “piebald” and I said, “merle”. I thought maybe they were just different names for the same thing. Any idea?
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