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1,000 years on, perils of fake Viking swords are revealed
Guardian ^ | Dec. 27, 2008 | Maev Kennedy

Posted on 12/27/2008 6:39:09 AM PST by decimon

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"You really didn't want to have that happen,"

I knew that.

1 posted on 12/27/2008 6:39:09 AM PST by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

“How’s your Rolex?” ping


2 posted on 12/27/2008 6:40:23 AM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

That would stink, now wouldn’t it...


3 posted on 12/27/2008 6:42:35 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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That would stink, now wouldn’t it...

"If I ever get my hands on the #$%$^$%^ who sold me this..."

4 posted on 12/27/2008 6:54:20 AM PST by decimon
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I wonder if some people knowingly bought the replica steel to instill fear in their opponents.

Either way, I bet not too many customers made it back to complain!

5 posted on 12/27/2008 6:59:59 AM PST by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: decimon

That’s just like a Viking.....bring a sword to a culverin fight.............


6 posted on 12/27/2008 7:03:32 AM PST by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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"You really didn't want to have that happen,"

O.K., sword shattering like glass in battle is a bad thing. Got it.

7 posted on 12/27/2008 7:04:03 AM PST by kennedy (I'm a Kennedy with no experience or qualifications too! Where do I sign up for MY Senate seat?)
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To: decimon

“You really didn’t want to have that happen,”

I knew that.
__________

Former life?


8 posted on 12/27/2008 7:12:45 AM PST by heartwood (Tarheel in exile)
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To: decimon
From what little I recall from reading Beowulf as a student, old weapons from past generations were very much revered by the warriors in that epic. If such was the case, it makes sense that there was a market for forgeries of older swords even back then.
9 posted on 12/27/2008 7:12:48 AM PST by Welsh Rabbit
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To: heartwood
Former life?

Yes, I used to have a life. Now it's all internet.

10 posted on 12/27/2008 7:18:37 AM PST by decimon
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I wonder if there has been any study of transition temperature of the material in the “good” vs “bad” swords. Viking swords were probably used at lower temperatures a good bit of the time.


11 posted on 12/27/2008 7:21:30 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Ramius

Sword ping


12 posted on 12/27/2008 7:23:29 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: decimon

Buying swords from a guy selling them out of the back of his wagon!


13 posted on 12/27/2008 7:23:33 AM PST by csvset
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Buying swords from a guy selling them out of the back of his wagon!


14 posted on 12/27/2008 7:30:02 AM PST by decimon
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It seems most of the fake ones have been found, shattered, in graves.

Caveat emptor.


15 posted on 12/27/2008 7:32:31 AM PST by patton (+)
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To: decimon

Historical evidence the Vikings had extensive trade with China....


16 posted on 12/27/2008 7:44:14 AM PST by PGR88
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To: HairOfTheDog; Ramius; 300winmag; IrishCatholic; lookout88; Wpin; spetznaz; Smokin' Joe; ...

Thanks! Pinging the sword ping list...


17 posted on 12/27/2008 8:37:27 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius

Thanks for the sword ping!


18 posted on 12/27/2008 8:44:58 AM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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Grazie. It is interesting how perilous (and expensive) a sword purchase must have been. You spend the equivalent price of a modern car to get a sword, and there is a possibility that the workmanship and materials used may not be up to par!

The equivalent of some person buying what we now call a 'sword like object' (better known as a wall-hanger, those 'swords' one can buy from a Mall for 50 bucks).

The problem is, using a sword-like-object in real combat against someone with a real sword must have been a very quick way to die.

Maybe that's why in times of yore Japanese sword smiths would have their Katanas tested by seeing how many arms it could cut through at a time (gladly provided by prisoners ....the very best were allegedly tested using torsos). But then again, Katanas were never used for sword-against-sword combat ...it would be rare for Samurai to clash blade against blade, if at all. European swords on the other hand not only did meet blade to blade sometimes, but there was also the whole armor issue. A weak sword would not have lasted long.

The interesting thing from the article, for me anyways, was the part where they said the best swords then had much more carbon steel than the inferior ones (an obvious point), BUT ALSO that MODERN carbon steel is twice as better as that in the best olden swords. I am assuming that means that a well-made modern carbon steel swords (not a 'sword like object,' but rather one of the few pieces made by the few modern swordsmiths that go for a pretty penny) would be substantially better than the best legacy blades (be they japanese or Damascus or whatever) from olden times.

19 posted on 12/27/2008 8:46:58 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: decimon

If they used low carbon steel, quenched it, and didn’t temper it at all it would shatter. I found that out early on (14) in my knife making days. Of course the steel I was using such as railroad spikes and springs from rail cars were much better steel than they used.


20 posted on 12/27/2008 8:50:16 AM PST by dljordan
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